Shark Injector Information/Event.

[danewilson77]

So....as you know....I was pretty excited to get my $356.00 Shark Injector today.

You probably also knew I had O2 sensor codes P2237 and P2240....which is why you see the Bosch boxes in my pic (in a different thread).

So....I was following the instructions pretty closely.....plugged the charger into my battery, roll down driver and passenger side windows, plug Shark into OBDII port, turn key to position 2, exit car, wait 30 seconds...then pushed button on the shark.

I got through all of this to the step that says "sit back, relax and enjoy"....so I went inside to check on you guys. Everything was fine. Wasn't paying close attention to lights obviously...which may have provided useful data.

So...maybe 3 minutes later I come out and its flashing red...giving me a code 139. Started over....got a code 132, then on the third attempt (which I ended up receiving a code 139)..I noted my check engine light was not coming on before pressing the button on the shark. I do not know when this started happening.

So...I called Turner (actually after first code came in)....who called Jim Conforti. Yes...they called the man who developed the shark Injector. His recommendation was to unplug battery...and touch positive and negative terminals together...to see if it would clear any stray currents. At this point we were just trying to start the car. Oh yeah....I tried to start my car after attempt #2...and the shark must have done something to fuel management system....because it wasn't starting....just cranking over. My car has always run and started like a top.

So....the recommendation from Jim did not work....and TMS sent me overnight UPS shipping label...that I got at 1815. Got to ups at 1840...because I had to pull my DME....but....UPS closed at 1830. Ya! Another win.

So....looks like I could have DME back on Saturday.

Also to note is that TMS and Jim gave me excellent customer support. Really unparalleled and went way out of their way to help. Both parties I would recommend and trust every time. I believe this to be a fluke issue

And I am the third failure that TMS had ever known of from one of their chips. I took pics of my DME and will post later..as I had never pulled one...as its not normal. In case it might educate someone in the future.

DW77 out. Gotta go build props....lol.


EDIT (3/10/10): YOU HAVE TO USE A CONSTANT BATTERY CHARGER, NOT AN AUTOMATIC BATTERY CHARGER!!!!

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[kayger12]

Sorry to hear, DW. That really sux.

Glad Turner and Conforti are stepping up to the plate.

Keep us in the loop.

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[az3579]

Whoa...
So that's why you didn't pick up. You were out running to UPS. lol

That's unfortunate. But, hopefully we can roll to go pick it up in a ZHP on Sat. :)

[mimalmo]

Bummer dude. I know you were looking forward to checking it out.

[spencers]

Ouch! DME fried, eh?

Battery tender issue? Or do you think it was the SES/O2 sensor issue that caused the shark to whack out?

[az3579]

I have to take this moment to stress to anyone who wants to Shark their car. The car MUST have a proper voltage level maintained throughout the procedure, otherwise you risk DAMAGING your ECU.

I'm not sure if this was Dane's case, but just wanted to throw it out there that there is a reason they heavily stress this in the instructions. If you have an old/weak battery, or don't have a battery charger, do not perform this update until you meet the requirements. If you have Daytime Running Lights turned on, you need a minimum of a 20 amp charger. If you don't have DRLs but do have Angel Eyes hooked up as DRL's, you still need the 20 amp charger, unless you disable the Angel Eyes before performing the procedure. If you have no DRL's whatsoever, then a 10-amp charger is sufficient, though a higher amperage is highly recommended.

Dane had a charger and his battery was fresh, so I'm not sure why this happened.

[Mtnman]

Damn dane. Keep us posted. I'm sure they will make it right.

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[3ZHPGUY]

That's not the kind of kill story we like to hear. Hope it works out good for you.

[danewilson77]

Whoa...
So that's why you didn't pick up. You were out running to UPS. lol

That's unfortunate. But, hopefully we can roll to go pick it up in a ZHP on Sat. :)

And......BP was on the phone with me pretty much the entire time lending his ideas and support. Marky was there for me as well...so thanks guys.

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[danewilson77]

I never fell below 12.6 volts.....

Thanks for the encouragement fells's.


Ouch! DME fried, eh?

Battery tender issue? Or do you think it was the SES/O2 sensor issue that caused the shark to whack out?



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[Whitexi]

That ain't right, I hope they figure it out.

What exactly do they do with your DME?

[danewilson77]

That ain't right, I hope they figure it out.

What exactly do they do with your DME?

Jim Conforti reprograms and installs the Shark software on his bench at home.

Yes...my dme will have "the mans" dna on eeeeeet.

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[Whitexi]

Lol that's good customer support at least.

[kayger12]

Jim Comforti reprograms and installs the Shark software on his bench at home.

Yes...my dme will have "the mans" dna on eeeeeet.

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That's almost worth the inconvenience right there...

[az3579]

Once that's said and done, the good news is that the factory stock programming reflash feature will probably still work in case you ever decide to revert.

[Johnmadd]

Sucks man, at least no mileage on the car for a few days.

[az3579]

Sucks man, at least no mileage on the car for a few days.

His average mileage is high enough to greatly offset that perk. lol

[danewilson77]

Pics of my cars brain (dme)....

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Imola%20Bimmer/IMG_20110302_180428-1.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Imola%20Bimmer/IMG_20110302_180413.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Imola%20Bimmer/IMG_20110302_180420.jpg

[gr330zhp]

Damn Dane that sucks :( Hopefully they figure it out

[static667]

Bummersville, man. Whenever I have to go without my car for a few days, I'm lost. I feel your pain there. But you will have your DME blessed by the great Don Conforti.

[danewilson77]

Snap...lol. I thought his name was Jim. My bad.

[static667]

No. His name is Jim. I was just referencing him as a don of BMW tuning.

[Johnmadd]

Lol

[Hornung418]

So where does the DME normally hang out when normally installed?

DROIDstatus. Come at me, bro.

[billschusteriv]

That sucks man - glad to hear you got the customer service you did. I'm sure you'll keep us updated.

So what are you rolling around in?

[danewilson77]

So where does the DME normally hang out when normally installed?

DROIDstatus. Come at me, bro.

Hang tight...I will go take a quick pic....duh. Good point.

It slides into top slot and has 6 plug ins. Its under the little cover, in the engine bay....right in front of the driver.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Imola%20Bimmer/IMG_20110302_223531.jpg

[spencers]

I have to take this moment to stress to anyone who wants to Shark their car. The car MUST have a proper voltage level maintained throughout the procedure, otherwise you risk DAMAGING your ECU.

This is the very reason why I've been hesitant to get started setting up DIS/SSS/Progman (etc) to update my DME to the latest software. I'm scared of bricking the DME if my battery charger hiccups.

[lndshrk]

Guys,

Voltage is important (use a "non-automatic" charger - or a full on power supply)

Most important is NEVER opening the doors, touching the car, answering your phone which is tied into the car/etc.

The communication is a simple serial voltage signal -

If for some reason the voltage spikes - the communication will be nuked. (along with your DME)

MS45 is especially sensitive - see BMW SIB 12 24 06 (attached as PDF)

It's not something "limited" to Shark Injectors - but it's why we are very specific in saying:

16. Sit back, relax, watch, but DO NOT TOUCH anything inside the vehicle or the Shark Injector™ itself
under any circumstances. DO NOT OPEN THE VEHICLE DOORS as this can disturb programming!;

Regards,

Jim Conforti

[lndshrk]

This is the very reason why I've been hesitant to get started setting up DIS/SSS/Progman (etc) to update my DME to the latest software. I'm scared of bricking the DME if my battery charger hiccups.

Read SIB 12 24 06 - and then decide if you want to take the risk.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Jim, thanks for chiming in.

[UncleSmitty]

I'm seeing 'power supplies' going between $250-500... Is this truly what's needed? Is there an alternative I'm not seeing?

For example, Midtronics PSC-550 or DBL-1200 as referenced in another forum... best prices I'm seeing are upwards of $400. For a reliable flash should we be going to a BMW certified shop that has one of these?

[lndshrk]

I'm seeing 'power supplies' going between $250-500... Is this truly what's needed? Is there an alternative I'm not seeing?

For example, Midtronics PSC-550 or DBL-1200 as referenced in another forum... best prices I'm seeing are upwards of $400. For a reliable flash should we be going to a BMW certified shop that has one of these?

It's the BEST option - It's not "needed" - as long as you have at least 20amps of "non-automatic" charger.

The problem with "automatic" chargers is that they think they are smart - and they drop off the voltage once they "deem" the battery charged

Of course, you don't want that - you want a CONSTANT 13.2 to 13.8 volts

So they are so smart, they are dumb ;)

[UncleSmitty]

It's the BEST option - It's not "needed" - as long as you have at least 20amps of "non-automatic" charger.

Got it. The hunt for a simple, non-auto charger begins!

That's what I get for trying to buy a quality charger/booster... =)

[spencers]

Read SIB 12 24 06 - and then decide if you want to take the risk.

Thanks Jim. I have a simple little 10amp DieHard 71221 charger. Not sure if it's deemed worthy or not. I don't have DRL's so perhaps I'm fine..

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Here is a link to SIB 12 24 06: Click me (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e90post.com%2Fforums%2Fattach ment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D278491%26d%3D1245260159&rct=j&q=SIB%20%2212%2024%2006%22%20bmw&ei=HE1vTZKsBpCCsQOrjIG3Cw&usg=AFQjCNEWuViO0nYvlsN3GSf7xrnK4s2UWA&sig2=fcOOgzBE6L9OeFLG0ygtvA&cad=rja)

[danewilson77]

Guys,

Voltage is important (use a "non-automatic" charger - or a full on power supply)

Most important is NEVER opening the doors, touching the car, answering your phone which is tied into the car/etc.

The communication is a simple serial voltage signal -

If for some reason the voltage spikes - the communication will be nuked. (along with your DME)

MS45 is especially sensitive - see BMW SIB 12 24 06 (attached as PDF)

It's not something "limited" to Shark Injectors - but it's why we are very specific in saying:

16. Sit back, relax, watch, but DO NOT TOUCH anything inside the vehicle or the Shark Injector™ itself
under any circumstances. DO NOT OPEN THE VEHICLE DOORS as this can disturb programming!;

Regards,

Jim Conforti

Understand. I have a battery charger. Always maintained 12.6v or greater. I didn't touch anything. Thanks for re-iterating.

[danewilson77]

Here is a link to SIB 12 24 06: Click me (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e90post.com%2Fforums%2Fattach ment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D278491%26d%3D1245260159&rct=j&q=SIB%20%2212%2024%2006%22%20bmw&ei=HE1vTZKsBpCCsQOrjIG3Cw&usg=AFQjCNEWuViO0nYvlsN3GSf7xrnK4s2UWA&sig2=fcOOgzBE6L9OeFLG0ygtvA&cad=rja)

Thanks Marcus.

[ZHP-FTW]

Hope your issue gets resolved quickly and safely DW.

[danewilson77]

Hope your issue gets resolved quickly and safely DW.

Thanks Z.. Aslo thanks to all the troops in the support.

Also special thanks to Turner Motor Sports and Jim Comforti for working with me to resolve.

[kpro]

I'm very sorry to read of your bad news Dane, I though that crap only happened to me! It seems as tho they are getting it resolved for ya tho :o) Its almost the weekend, at least you can detail your car even if you can't drive it :)

[danewilson77]

Yeah....thanks for the words of encouragement Kpro. I was going to see about doing my O2 sensors, and maybe put my new trim piece in. I was going to check with TMS if I should do the O2 sensors with the DME outta the vehicle or not. Don't know about that, and I am hesitant to touch it...electrically right now.

[kaboom]

Man, that's too bad but glad they are taking care of it. I was considering purchasing the shark mostly to dyno back to back and see how it does, and if it fixes that 4krpm issue.

I hope you get your DME back soon!

Ian

[danewilson77]

I got off the phone with Jim Conforti. We talked for probably 40 minutes. Let me say this. He is the definition of a class individual. Explained the process to me, and what he was going to do, to try and reprogram my dme. He didn't have to call me. But he did. I can probably throw out a thanks to our forum founder in that regard.

Anyway.....he was looking through some of our threads, and wanted me to pass along a bit of advice to the DIS software bubba's. He says, "Don't do eeeet". Your playing with the DME, and what happened to me, could happen to you.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I got off the phone with Jim Comforti. We talked for probably 40 minutes. Let me say this. He is the definition of a class individual. Explained the process to me, and what he was going to do, to try and reprogram my dme. He didn't have to call me. But he did. I can probably throw out a thanks to our forum founder in that regard.

Anyway.....he was looking through some of our threads, and wanted me to pass along a bit of advice to the DIS software bubba's. He says, "Don't do eeeet". Your playing with the DME, and what happened to me, could happen to you.

Dane, really nice to hear. Jim is a class act.

Let us know how everything turns out.

[Mtnman]

That was really cool of him to do that. And I saw that coming on the dis thread eventually..

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[danewilson77]

Got it. The hunt for a simple, non-auto charger begins!

That's what I get for trying to buy a quality charger/booster... =)

After me and Jim discussed this....we decided I was using an automatic battery charger FTL....

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[ZSP-Mafia]

I just ran jumper cables from a running car when I did mine... No issues.

[spencers]

Anyway.....he was looking through some of our threads, and wanted me to pass along a bit of advice to the DIS software bubba's. He says, "Don't do eeeet". Your playing with the DME, and what happened to me, could happen to you.

Good advice. I think I'll end up using my DIS setup to check the DME to see if updates are available. Then, I'll just take it to the dealer to be updated (so they will be liable).

My DieHard 71221 is a manual charger. I just don't know if I trust the electronics entirely to DIY.

Glad to hear you're being taken care of

[Johnmadd]

Try to get him to sign it. He is the man when it comes to chips, easily the highest respected tuner I have heard of for BMW. I have a eprom of a dinan chip but have always wanted to see what his is about, hear it's the best.

[Mtnman]

Yeah. Get him to sign ur sheeeet!

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[danewilson77]

We'll see what happens.

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[terraphantm]

Anyway.....he was looking through some of our threads, and wanted me to pass along a bit of advice to the DIS software bubba's. He says, "Don't do eeeet". Your playing with the DME, and what happened to me, could happen to you.

IMO it's perfectly safe using the DIY setup assuming you have a good charger and everything is configured properly. The risk should be no more than flashing with a shark injector. Between today and yesterday I updated like 8 modules on my dad's E60 using WinKFP (basically a factory-level version of Progman) - two of those modules were the transmission and DME. Went off without a hitch. Transmission actually shifts a bit faster and much smoother than before. My charger is a 60A charger with a manual mode though fwiw. I used it in the 20A mode because the voltage creeps a little bit too high at 60A (approaches 15V after being hooked up for a while). I'll probably get myself a 14V regulator one of these days for peace of mind. 20A keeps the voltage around 13.2 for me, and should be more than sufficient for the E46.

I do prefer WinKFP to DIS and Progman because it is significantly faster (runs natively rather than on a VM through a virtual network)

I would try flashing my M3's DME, but it's already at the latest firmware. If I had euro headers and cats, I'd probably try flashing the euro software onto it, but I don't so there's no point. I *may* try flashing the SMG DME software onto the M3 to see if the shift lights enable, but then I'd probably get an SMG error which may or may not put the car in limp mode.

[danewilson77]

Good stuff Terra. Thanks

[lndshrk]

Terra,

The problem comes if you don't have access to the various SIB's and something crashes and you don't know the recovery procedures. WinKFP is not a program for the "untrained". One false key in "expert mode" and you can have a very expensive paperweight.

[lndshrk]

We'll see what happens.

DME Recovered

DME Updated to 7561520

DME Programmed with our performance software.

Now waiting for TMS to send me a return label so I can drive to UPS and get this on it's way back to you!

Have a great weekend,

Jim

PS: Chances are very high that if the main relay had been jumped - programming would have proceeded normally.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Jim, great work. Great outcome.

Thanks for everything.

[kpro]

YAY!!!! Looks like Dane's car will be back to normal here soon :o)

[az3579]

Doesn't look like he'll be getting it tomorrow... but Jim, you THE MAN!
We're honored to have you registered here and making an appearance.

[spencers]

PS: Chances are very high that if the main relay had been jumped - programming would have proceeded normally.

Hey Jim, what do you mean by this?

[danewilson77]

DME Recovered

DME Updated to 7561520

DME Programmed with our performance software.

Now waiting for TMS to send me a return label so I can drive to UPS and get this on it's way back to you!

Have a great weekend,

Jim

PS: Chances are very high that if the main relay had been jumped - programming would have proceeded normally.

Thanks for the info, and special care. You are the man.

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[danewilson77]

Doesn't look like he'll be getting it tomorrow... but Jim, you THE MAN!
We're honored to have you registered here and making an appearance.

I am thinking he will overnight it, and I will get it tomorrow.

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[kayger12]

That, boys and girls, is what we call outstanding customer service.

Glad you're good to go, DW.

[MrMaico]

Hey Jim, what do you mean by this?

Read the link to the pdf file he posted............

With KL15 turned on, verify that the DME main relay is energized and that each and every power
input to the DME is correct (refer to the ETM). If the DME main relay does not energize,
manually power up the DME by jumping the main relay (K6300) terminals 30 (power supply) and
87 (power output to the DME). In order to do this, remove the main relay from its socket. Jump
corresponding terminals in the relay connector (KL30 and KL87) with fused jumper cable (e.g.,
PN 88 88 6 611 476).

[MrMaico]

Mr Conforti, thanks for all the info. Hopefully you're still monitoring this thread and can answer a couple questions for me regarding the Shark software. I'm sure you're aware of the issue with the ZHP some people have with a dip in power at 4000 rpm. According to this info it required the DME to be sent to New Jersey for programming.....

http://www.employees.org/~amoeba/img/SIB121705.pdf (http://www.employees.org/%7Eamoeba/img/SIB121705.pdf)


What I'm wondering is if your Shark software will have the same effect as the update BMW did in Jersey? Seems odd that any dealer wouldn't be able to do this update? I have noticed this dip in power at times, not always though, under hard acceleration in lower gears. Some of our members here say they're convinced the Shark cured their power dip but it would be nice to hear your input on this.

Like I mentioned, this power dip isn't always there and when it is it isn't really all that noticeable most of the time, but sometimes I definitely feel it. If I can avoid the hassle of having the BMW fix done by buying a Shark that would be great, and no doubt, cheaper too.

Thank you....Barry

[static667]

Great news for Dane. It is really cool that the man himself, Jim Conforti, would take the time from his busy day to help out and post messages on this forum.

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[danewilson77]

DME in hand!

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[kayger12]

Outstanding. Looking forward to your review.

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[MrMaico]

Outstanding. Looking forward to your review.

Droid X. Tapatalk. Use it.

+1

[Johnmadd]

You should be driving soon.

[Oli77]

Good to hear !

This was touch and go for a while, but sounds like you kept your cool Dane, and went through the right channels to get it fixed.

Can't believe I missed this live thread!

[danewilson77]

Looking good! DME installed. Hooked up battery. Car ran like poopy and threw a P1632 (Manufacture Malfunction: Input/Output. Got pissed for a short minute. Figured it may need to sit and re-synch. So....I let it sit for an hour....and sweet beautiful music occurred. Took a test drive with BP with satisfactory results.

VANOS is done on his car. Moving to end links.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/DSC04111.jpg

[Johnmadd]

So he did sign it. That's awsome.

[danewilson77]

Yup....so....drove the car quite a bit with BP today. I will tell you simply that the car is running better than is ever has. Everything just seems smoother and more responsive...and it is a bit quicker........period. I would have paid twice the amount for what it did to my car. Jim not only threw the Shark software on it, but also put the latest BMW software on it also.

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[billschusteriv]

Yay! Glad to hear it - back in business!

[Johnmadd]

I'm so jealous, lol.

[3ZHPGUY]

Congrats Dane, glad it worked out. +++ in the Sig as well. And Jim, many, many kudos and thanks for taking care of one of ours that helped in making this site what it is.

[kaboom]

Is the 4krpm dead spot gone?

Ian

[danewilson77]

Yes.....I notice no deadspot or lag. Only awesomeness.

[az3579]

Sure felt awesome. That weird rough/bouncy idle really scared the crap out of me though.

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[danewilson77]

yeah......no sheeeeeeet. I thought I was headed out for a new dme next....

The only thing I can think of...is that after installing dme and hooking up battery.....it took a while for the car to resynch with the dme...if thats even possible.

[kaboom]

Yes.....I notice no deadspot or lag. Only awesomeness.
You noticed it before though, right?

Ian

[danewilson77]

Yes.....I definetely had some laggage up around 4k....

[danewilson77]

As you know.....I have had the Shark in for two full days of driving...and I think mpg has gone down. It may be because of a heavy foot, and will update on Friday...after a full week of driving.

[Jon D]

As you know.....I have had the Shark in for two full days of driving...and I think mpg has gone down. It may be because of a heavy foot, and will update on Friday...after a full week of driving.

So in other words you are enjoying the changes. I know I did I soon as I had mine remapped. Of course I never went back to light foot... but that's personal choice.

[danewilson77]

Yeah.....not exactly mashing it.....but....

IDK...I will have accurate data end of week.....though the fuel management system was remapped so.....I could see mpg going down a bit.

[static667]

Nice! I wouldn't mind having a software upgrade. It's on my mod list but there are a lot of necessary expenses in front of it in my budget.

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[spencers]

Yeah.....not exactly mashing it.....but....

IDK...I will have accurate data end of week.....though the fuel management system was remapped so.....I could see mpg going down a bit.

Power comes at the cost of mileage

[jvr826]

I have a question for Mr Conforti...

Will the remap adapt for octane up to 100? I think I read that the stock BMW programming will adapt up to 94 max on non-M cars.

[kaboom]

Dw you are probably just punching it everywhere!

In all seriousness, though, Im sure closed loop fueling lamda targets haven't changed, and wot fuel would be slightly leaner and meaner if anything, so that shouldn't hurt mileage. I'd be surprised if cruise advance has changed any.

Ian

[danewilson77]

Data after the trip home today....

Mpg is still climbiing up to 24.7 on OBC.

One other cool thing...is I bought those O2 sensors....because I always had the P2237/P2240 coming in...but....since the Shark..I have driven 228 miles....and no code has returned. This is interesting and will give updates on this.

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[Marcus-SanDiego]

I have a question for Mr Conforti...

Will the remap adapt for octane up to 100? I think I read that the stock BMW programming will adapt up to 94 max on non-M cars.

Jeff, I got your answer from Jim Conforti:

"No, it will not, and a tune for 100 octane wouldn't adapt for 91-93 -- the range is simply too great."

[jvr826]

Right on, thanks!

[Marcus-SanDiego]

You are welcome, sir.

[ZHP-FTW]

Awesome thread Dane! Hope you are enjoying the new life for the ZHP!

[danewilson77]

I am!!!

[johnrando]

From the website, Shark Injectors are not street legal in CA. Not that I condone skirting CARB laws, but does anyone know if it would it still pass SMOG (as it's not a visual issue)? John

[ZSP-Mafia]

From the website, Shark Injectors are not street legal in CA. Not that I condone skirting CARB laws, but does anyone know if it would it still pass SMOG (as it's not a visual issue)? John

Mine passed smog with no problems.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Mine passed smog with no problems.

Mine also did.

I would not worry, JR.

[danewilson77]

Pretty good stats since installing the Shark. Not bad for 3/4's of a tank. Calculated at last fill up...26.3mpg. Woot!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Imola%20Bimmer/IMG_20110321_064133-1.jpg

[az3579]

Pretty good stats since installing the Shark. Not bad for 3/4's of a tank. Calculated at last fill up...26.3mpg. Woot!



Is that mostly highway or mixed?
Even if it's an 80% highway and 20% city figure, the city driving completely ruins the figure and brings it down.

Also, shame on you for not wearing your belt. :p

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Also, shame on you for not wearing your belt. :p

My guess is that the car is sitting in the driveway. He's going 0 mph. :biggrin

[az3579]

My guess is that the car is sitting in the driveway. He's going 0 mph. :biggrin

He didn't say it was in his driveway... and why is the cruise control on?
I'm just OCD about that sort of stuff. When taking pics, the less lights illuminated on the dash the better. lol

[danewilson77]

Mmmmm....

You know BP....I pulled into work this morning.....and before I shut the car off....snapped the pic.

Brake light is on....because I was parked, and speed was zero. I always wear my seatbelt when driving. Cruise control was still on, as I had just completed my 50 mile trek.

Picture edited to prevent.....fill in the blank.

[az3579]

Mmmmm....

You know BP....I pulled into work this morning.....and before I shut the car off....snapped the pic.

Brake light is on....because I was parked, and speed was zero. I always wear my seatbelt when driving. Cruise control was still on, as I had just completed my 50 mile trek.

Picture edited to prevent.....fill in the blank.

It's easy to push my buttons. Sometimes equally easy for me to push others'. :rofl

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