JP's 2002

[Hermes]

Carrying on from this thread: Should I buy a 2002? (http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?5532-Should-I-buy-a-2002)

so I think I've been able to convince him to trade my labor on the 2002 and mainly the disassembled '71 911T as a huge part of the cost towards me getting the 2002 at the price he paid for it. So now the work begins:

Pictures!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/53b00e84.jpg

#4122/77639 2002 (MT - US), #4122/99362 2002 (total - US)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2485.jpg

What BMW AG emailed me:

"The BMW 2002 US VIN 1664122 was manufactured on November 26th, 1968 and delivered on December 10th, 1968 to the importer BMW Concessionaires G.B. in London (Great Britain). The original colour was Chamonix, paint code 085."

2002 roundel on the left. Middle is the original one from my first car, '91 735i (Alpine White on Black Leather). Right is a backup I have for the ZHP
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/roundelprogression.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2505.jpg

dirty old valve cover, took it off to clean it up a bit. I think a new coat of high temp paint is in order.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2510.jpg

valve cover off
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2509.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2506.jpg

nasty old Bosch plugs, had to think about starting up before
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2514.jpg

no problem now! (yeah, realized you had to unscrew those little caps.)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2512.jpg

cleaned valve cover back on, new spark plugs - FTW!
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2516.jpg

click for video of engine running after we changed plugs
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/th_IMG_2517.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/?action=view&current=IMG_2517.mp4)

temporary back seat from an E30, original back seat needs to be re-upholstered (earlier today when the sun was out)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/backseat.jpg

We then drove it to the gas station and filled it up. Stopped at CVS for smokes and drinks. Car was 3/3 on start-up with the new plugs, before it was like "do I really want to start up?"
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2520.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2521.jpg

Called the DMV today, found out that IF I can find a set of original black plates in the correct sequence for 1969 I can register the car with them, FTW. The sequence would be 3 letters, 3 numbers. Because 1969 is the end of the run on the black plates (they switched to the blue ones), a plate starting with ZHP is possible to run on my car (FTMFW!!!), now I just have to find a pair of real/original steel California Black & Yellow license plate that starts with the letters ZHP, please keep an eye out everybody.

for example, a set like these:
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqEOKpgE1qz,q!sWBNioVLTU5w~~_1.JPG?set_id=880 000500F
doesn't have to be in perfect shape, just no rust or holes.


Lots more work to do, at least we've started. Car has gone something like 35 miles since Steve bought it.

[Hornung418]

:like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hermes]

Thanks Justin, it's just something I've always wanted to do

[Hornung418]

Thanks Justin, it's just something I've always wanted to do
Totally feel ya on that one.

[trancenation]

congrats! looking forward to updates!

[danewilson77]

Why can't the state just register it and issue you new black plates?

Awesome build.

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[static667]

Awesome! I'll be living vicariously through you on this build. I'll own an '02 on day.

[cakM3]

JP,

looks good so far! Can't wait to see your progress on this build :thumbsup

[johnrando]

That's so cool JP. Looking forward to progress. BTW, sets of 2 plates in those colors are fairly rare, especially starting with specific letters like ZHP. Even seeing individual plates for sale is not that common (but they are around for sure). For example, I was at the Rose Bowl swap meet and I found a set of 2 black/yellow matching plates. The guy wanted $100 for them! I asked him if he would bend on the price and he said no way. When asked why, he said matching sets are very hard to find and lowriders really want them, so he can easily get that price. Don't want to discourage you, just pointing out that it might be tough to find.

[Hermes]

Hell, you found them for $100. I would have been all over those. They go for about $300 on eBay by the time the auction ends

Dane, the law they passed required you to have original black plates, no reissue. Also applies to the later blue plates

[johnrando]

Hell, you found them for $100. I would have been all over those. They go for about $300 on eBay by the time the auction ends

Dane, the law they passed required you to have original black plates, no reissue. Also applies to the later blue plates

In retrospect, I should have gotten them. I wasn't sure you could register them, plus I really didn't have a need for them. No idea they went for that much online! They might look cool on my black zhp though. Did the DMW say the are fair game if they are not registered? Because if they are linked to someone else's car, I was wondering if you could register them to yours - it sounds as if you can as long as they were not registered.

[Hermes]

the deal (if I understood correctly) is if they are not currently assigned to another car you can register them to yours, assuming the set you bought is in the correct sequence for the year of your car.


Also, if it comes down to it, I can order the 'Historical Vehicle' white plates

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/9-18-11/DSC_9639-1.jpg

[zj96sc]

Dane, I'd assume the state probably isn't stamping that plate anymore.

I know GA is pretty much the same way - if you can find a plate issued the year the car was manufactured, you can run it. Just have to have the "real" plate in the car.

[danewilson77]

Totally missed that this was a "want" and not a "need".

Got it.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Looking forward to seeing the finished product here in San Diego.

[johnrando]

the deal (if I understood correctly) is if they are not currently assigned to another car you can register them to yours, assuming the set you bought is in the correct sequence for the year of your car.


Also, if it comes down to it, I can order the 'Historical Vehicle' white plates

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/9-18-11/DSC_9639-1.jpg

Interesting thing about the "sequence". I don't really get that because personalize plates have no "sequence". Let me know if you are interested in some and I can see if I can find some next time I'm at the Rose Bowl Swap meet. The next one is actually this Sunday... I'll see if my family wants to go and I'll look for you if you want.

[Ryans323i]

Sweet. I'm a little confuse on your trade for your labor on the 2002 pays for the 2002. Just curious if you could clear that up for me.

Really excited to see how this comes out! Good luck!

[Hornung418]

His labor on the Early Porsche 911 pays for the 2002 :)

[Hermes]

^ yup, he wants to drive the P-car. That one needs a TON of work.

[Ryans323i]

O I C!

[brettbimmer]

Nice '02 with a lot of potential! Excellent save from the car going to the scrapyard. Hope to be able to pick up an Isetta 300 someday...

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[Hermes]

Nice '02 with a lot of potential! Excellent save from the car going to the scrapyard. Hope to be able to pick up an Isetta 300 someday...

Thanks Brett, I would like to have an Isetta one day but I want the 250 (bubble window vs sliding panel), otherwise they are both cool cars.


ok, some new pictures

apparently this is what it looked like a while ago, stupid PO sent the black plates in to the DMV and they were destroyed. Interesting that it had frenched lights... (is it a sign?)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/frenchblackplate.jpg


test fit the grill, need to do some more work first before it's final.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2526.jpg


2002 trunk roundel vs E46
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2532.jpg


my old E24 shifter vs nasty shifter that was in the car
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2536.jpg


kinda like the short ZHP shifter!
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2537.jpg


FTW!
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2540.jpg


preparing to cover up some of the bare metal with self-etching primer, full coat of primer will come later
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2538.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2542.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2541.jpg


two hooker trunk
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2543.jpg


time for new door cards
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2546.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2545.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2547.jpg


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2550.jpg

[danewilson77]

Looking good bro. Keep going....

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[Hornung418]

Dude. Awesome updates! Can't wait to see it done. If you can find a black leather e21 interior with the Recaros you'll be set!

Courtesy of Gingerbread...

[Hermes]

for sure... if you see a set let me know


I just found this online. Bi-xenon Projector 7" headlight (http://www.futurevisionhid.com/h6024-bi-xenon-projector-automotive-headlight.htmll), comes in chrome or black (I guess I could paint the chrome reflector yellow) - $540 for the pair of 35W, $45 extra for 50W

http://www.futurevisionhid.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/500x500/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/h/6/h6024-bi-xenon-projector-headlight-kit-2_1.jpg

[brettbimmer]

Oh man, seeing this reminds me of helping a friend restore & rebuild a '74 '02! Have fun with it. Looks like you already are!

[Hermes]

oh... almost forgot. BBS called me today and said they can make RF's in 15"

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/ajp00006/bbs_rf__bs_ci3_l.jpg

[Hornung418]

Can't see pics on the the phone. But I had the option on a 74 Chaminox/black with full e21 interior swap and an e21 5 speed :) mom and dad didn't like the salvage title :(

Courtesy of Gingerbread...

[Hermes]

that sucks... you'll find one eventually

(does the pic work now? imagine some baby sized CH's)

[Hornung418]

It worked I was just impatient to let it load. I like those rims. You said 15 and the proper offsets for the 02m

Courtesy of Gingerbread...

[Hermes]

proper bolt pattern, he thinks it might need a 20mm spacer if I run the Wilwood BBK

http://www.iemotorsport.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/02bbk300mm15.jpg

[cakM3]

JP, looks like this is becoming an awesome build! I'm liking what you are doing so far :thumbsup

[M0nk3y]

I love this thread

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[Hermes]

thanks Charlie and Kyle.


so today we tried to change the brake and clutch fluid. thank you very much to Lawrence for letting us borrow his low-profile jack as the one we had didn't work (another issue with one of the PO's, we think a kid owned the car in the 80s... cut springs)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000902.jpg


jack on frame rail plus 2 jack stands just in case... and we chocked the passenger side rear wheel as both driver's side wheels were off the ground.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000903.jpg


yeah, we need a new complete exhaust system. F the old one.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000904.jpg


maybe some race headers too...
http://www.iemotorsport.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/02stephead2.jpg


the block
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000906.jpg


oh look... no guard on the flywheel. stupid PO :facepalm
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000915.jpg


found it in the trunk, back on
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000918.jpg


Steve bleeding the clutch fluid. Right after this picture was taken we realized the seal on the slave cylinder is bad, looks like time for a new one.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000912.jpg


while bleeding the brake fluid we realized the seals on the reservoir are bad. Luckily those were ordered the other day so they should be in on Tuesday. Gave up on the brake system for now.

the craptastic caps on the reservoir, middle one is fine; it's just the outer ones that are bad.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_2557.jpg

Funny thing though, we got some BBQ sauce caps to fit on temporarily until I can grab some new ones on Monday from LJ Independent BMW (they have them in stock)

[Marcus-SanDiego]

JP, looks like a great project. Thanks for sharing.

[Hermes]

JP, looks like a great project. Thanks for sharing.

For sure, it's a lot of fun. Hopefully we learn enough on this car that we can do another one easily. Maybe we can find a tii or a turbo.

We plan to finish up all of the bare metal with primer tomorrow, hopefully we can just get a simple coat of paint on it soon so it doesn't look like a total beater.

[Dotpage]

Very exciting! I want to do something similar in the future.

[cakM3]

JP, I know your 2002 will be in awesome shape when you get everything sorted out. Looking good so far :thumbsup

[Hermes]

ok, more work done today...

so we started by NOT using the clutch or brake today since we didn't want puddles of DOT3 on the ground. Luckily the car weighs almost nothing so we pulled it out of its spot and used momentum and about 10 tries to get it up on some ramps. Now the jobs of removing the clutch slave cylinder and getting most of the bare metal covered in a coat of primer began.


sanding
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000920.jpg


removed grills
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000927.jpg


more sanding
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000925.jpg


clean up all the dust
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000930.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000932.jpg


official placement (my old sticker)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000933.jpg


now for some primer
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000934.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000936.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000937.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000938.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000939.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000959.jpg

oh hello POS slave cylinder...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000958.jpg


and now for some pics of the interior for those of you who've never been in a 2002

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000952.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000947.jpg

late 70's 911 seats
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000946.jpg


E30 rear bench
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000945.jpg


and the armrest works still!
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000944.jpg


original seat belts (I lol'd @ Made in W. Germany)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000942.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000943.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000953.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000954.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000955.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000956.jpg


then we decided to put it back in the parking spot. I think it was harder to put it back in there than it was to get it up on the ramps.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000962.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000963.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000964.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000965.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000966.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000967.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000968.jpg


the new key to my heart :wub
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1000969.jpg

[Hornung418]

Found these...What do you think about a Chamonix/ Blue?

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/pts/2743823348.html

[Hermes]

Found these...What do you think about a Chamonix/ Blue?

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/pts/2743823348.html

hell yeah! can you check them out for me? I don't think I need all those parts but some of them would be nice

EDIT: after thinking about it for a minute interior is not a priority. I need to get it running good before I get to details like what seats I want in the car but thanks for keeping an eye out. If you see a set on the west coast I would be interested as I could just go grab them. Shipping some seats across the country probably wouldn't be the cheapest solution

[danewilson77]

Nice progress.

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[johnrando]

Good stuff so far, great interior pics. Saw an '02 with the Black/Yellow CA plates drive by this weekend and thought about your car. Wanted to go grab the plates! :-)

[Hermes]

Thanks guys, no work today as there is some on and off rain coming through town. I think I might have even figured out the black plate situation but I'll update that once we get around to that point

[Hermes]

Monday to (as I type this):

picked up correct passenger door inner handle ($10) from Autobahn and some freebies from LJ Independent (slave cylinder pushrod + new brake fluid reservior). Also a package came in w/new VCG, e-brake cables, 4 brake hoses, temperature sender, fuel filter, exhaust hangers and some other stuff, I can't remember right now. About 30 minutes ago Steve called me and said the new slave cylinder arrived. Last night we took off the carb and rebuilt it, just waiting for the rain to break for a while so we can reinstall.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/bd5210ec.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/cadf264e.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/41cfabe6.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/887321d0.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/29243ad6.jpg



at some point soon we're going to have to make some new rear cards, will deal with that when we have time.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/8f62896b.jpg

[Marcus-SanDiego]

No rain today.


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[Hermes]

Yup, hopefully we can get some time today to work on it.

[jayjay_dee]

wow, very nice project JP...

in for more updates and pics!!!

[Hermes]

Thanks Jayjay, will do.


Also, if anybody sees a dual Weber 38/38 for a decent price please let me know. 32/36 is ok, so is the dual Solex but I'd rather have the 38/38

[Hermes]

so we got the new slave in, but like idiots we didn't get system pressurized because we don't have a power bleeder and forgot to read how you do it without one. :facepalm

Eventually we gave up and decided we'll do it tomorrow. I later did read the instructions and realized we need to pump the clutch up BEFORE we open the bleeder valve.

oh well, more pics.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/7bbf0814.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/32114f74.jpg

(post edited because I realized I wrote brakes, meant clutch)

[RVAzhp]

badass build man. i love 2002. good luck!

[Hermes]

a few last things before I go out of town for a while

picked up some Red Line
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/0a8ec372.jpg

working on the rear seats
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/a15e580b.jpg

old foam
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/270cea2d.jpg

new foam
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/1c1f0a53.jpg

Steve will update me on anything he does while I'm gone, I'll update this thread when I hear things.

[mr hish]

gd luck with ur project . Am now searching for a new project but this time it is gooing to be a muscle car maybe a 1977 dodge challenger . :p

[Hermes]

gd luck with ur project . Am now searching for a new project but this time it is gooing to be a muscle car maybe a 1977 dodge challenger . :p

thanks, looking forward to seeing a project from you too.

Steve sent me this yesterday. He said he's almost done with both seats

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/1009219b.jpg

[Hermes]

Got a message from Steve last night: tranny pulled last week, bought more vinyl to re-do the door cards, still waiting on the clutch rebuild kit.

If anybody see's an E24 rear armrest for sale let me know, I need it in place before I can modify/fit the seats in.

[Hermes]

Door cards done, tranny out. Still looking for a clutch rebuild kit for this damn early version clutch

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/e800d5ee.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/aa0244fb.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/7c15b527.jpg

[Hermes]

Figured out the engine, clutch and tranny are from a 3/74 build 2002

Installed new clutch disk and pressure plate, reinstalled tranny with new bushings for the gear mount as well as changing fluid (Red Line). Installed new battery + cables. Ripped off the aftermarket exhaust from the header back (it ends right under the tranny). Car is running great now, shifts like butter and is kinda loud but still not too much...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030494.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030499.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030511.jpg

Still need to find an E24 rear armrest from a CSi, if anybody finds one please let me know. Next on the list is probably going to be either brakes or suspension

[Hermes]

Got some Bilstein HD shocks, new spring pads, Ireland Engineering swaybar and spring kit, upper strut bearings, and new tie rods + steering center link. Front springs, shocks, strut bearing, spring pads, sway bar and tie rods/center link installed. Hopefully we have time to do the rear end in the next few days

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/69554a17.jpg

Before:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030931.jpg

Bilstein/IE
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030946.jpg

IE 22mm hollow sway bar (equivalent to a solid 25mm) + new tie rods/center link
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030968.jpg

Better pic of the engine
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P10309701200x899.jpg

[kayger12]

Great progress! Very cool.

[danewilson77]

Great progress! Very cool.

+1. Can't wait till this whip is all sorted.

[M3TA5IN]

How the hell have I missed this!

Looks awesome man, with Dane... Can't wait :)

[Hermes]

Thanks everybody, I can't wait either

[Hornung418]

UGH!!! That is some massive progress!

[328ioc]

looking great Hermes. have you thought at all about moving the battery to the trunk? My buddy did this in his 02 and apparenly as simple as it sounds the battery weighs enough to give you perfect 50/50 weight distrobution once it is moved.

loving the 911 seats as well they look awesome.

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[Hermes]

Yeah, we might do that but rewiring the car will probably happen before/at the same time. I think the empty spot on the other side of the engine is where the washer fluid reservoir goes

[johnrando]

You guys work fast... can't wait to see this complete!

[toddness]

This brings back so many memories. Is this track bound when its done?

You probably don't need more inspiration....

http://www.flyingrubberracing.com/

[Hermes]

Yeah, some planned but it's not gonna get stripped down all the way. I'll have to post some updated pics. We just got a carpet kit

[quikryptonite]

Wow, this is an incredible build. I'm jealous that you can do all this stuff yourself. It looks great! Can't wait to see the finished product.

[Hermes]

Thanks bud. I think we might put the bumpers and badges back on today

[Hermes]

I have to upload the rest but here is the rear end

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040599.jpg

[danewilson77]

Looks awesome.

Sent from SIGFest 2012

[toddness]

Absolutely loving it!

Didn't see anything at meet. Well - I saw lots of cool BMW's, but no parts. Must have been about 100 cars there.

You car reminds me of this fantastic e12 done in camouflage that used to roll through Marin for years.

[Hermes]

Thanks bud, we haven't got around to paint yet but the look is kinda cool for now. We have a few thoughts for paint but not sure when we'll get around to it. Earlier today a friend of mine found some older Cunningham plates (now called South County) at the dealer for me but he's gonna keep an eye out and see if he can find me the real old metal ones

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/93a79bc2.jpg

[Hermes]

Here are some more pictures

repainted the gauge cluster, technically it should be all silver on a '69 but I went black with silver rings
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/09d1772a.jpg

installed a new clutch master cylinder
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/9df39682.jpg

most of the old cooling system pulled
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/dc049e51.jpg

silicone hoses
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030990.jpg

water pump
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/8c8a00a0.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/07591583.jpg
the red hose that goes from the intake to the heater core (top center) was replaced also with the stock black hose, but I forgot to take a picture

new carpet
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/6cb0e9b9.jpg

[danewilson77]

Bro... Awesome progress.

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[HokieZHP]

My dad wanted a 2002 project and this is making me want one now too! Great build so far!

[cakM3]

JP, the gauge cluster came out perfect :thumbsup Amazing work so far! Looking forward to more :)

[bcleaver]

This is looking badass. Nice work!

[nike001]

Awesome work!

[Hermes]

Thanks everybody.

Question, fog lights or no?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/front.jpg

[cakM3]

JP... I'm getting excited seeing progress on your 2002! :biggrin

[toddness]

Such fun!!!

IMHO - lose the square fog and find some round period Hella's.

Any luck with the e12 armrest?

[danewilson77]

Yellow.

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[Hermes]

Such fun!!!

IMHO - lose the square fog and find some round period Hella's.

Any luck with the e12 armrest?

yeah, I want the round ones too but we found these in one of the boxes of parts we have. I found an armrest but the price is too much

[Hornung418]

No fogs and a front bumper delete or if you have to have them, tuck them. And get the turbo air dam. So much better looking than bumpers.

[e3thekid]

This project is awesome! Great work man. Cannot wait to see finished product.

[HokieZHP]

No fogs

[brettbimmer]

Coming together nicely JP! So what day should we expect you to roll in at SIGfest in VA? I am sure that we could work out some special parking for a classic making a cross-country road trip.

[danewilson77]

Oh man...Oh man....Oh man......this is gonna be epic!

[Oli77]

I vote for fogs, yellow, round and big.

[echo46]

That is one badass whip.

[danewilson77]

That is one badass whip.

Baddest.........Eva!

[ryankokesh]

I vote for fogs, yellow, round and big.

+1

Looks amazing!!


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[johnrando]

I love the big yellow fogs but I also like the no fogs cleaner look. Tough decision. I vote do whichever one is more unique, this is an awesome build!

[Hermes]

Thanks everybody, I think we might actually order some Hella 160 (chrome housing) Driving Lamps opposed to the yellow fogs:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3476/3405398414_3e28427f83_z.jpg



Coming together nicely JP! So what day should we expect you to roll in at SIGfest in VA? I am sure that we could work out some special parking for a classic making a cross-country road trip.

Hahaha, maybe next year. We need to take some short road trips first before it drives cross country

[Hermes]

as requested here are some updates

Baumgartner Brand Schiltach 15x6
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_3485.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/18fb21d8.jpg


new carpets
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/IMG_3456.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/6fb7be9b.jpg


new plates
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050320.jpg


the majority of the recent work has been done under the hood

new head gasket, changed oil (Mobil 1), changed filter (Mahle), changed coolant (BMW blue), adjusted valves & timing (has been set for 25° advance), adjusted dwell and angle of distributor points (PITA - will soon be modded to electronic ignition), new rotor and distributor cap, changed ignition wires, cleaned up the loose wiring in the engine bay

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050304.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050303.jpg


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050532.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050530.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050548.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050545.jpg

this one's for Dane
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050324.jpg


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1050317.jpg

[Hermes]

some more pics of the suspension changes

before
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030931.jpg



steering
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030932.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030958.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030961.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030962.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030964.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030967.jpg



front sway bar

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030928.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030930.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030968.jpg

shocks/springs
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030927.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030946.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030972.jpg



rear
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030974.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030975.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030977.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030980.jpg


old vs new
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030989.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040001.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040002.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040004.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040009.jpg


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030981.jpg

rubber on these are shot
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030984.jpg
nice and fresh
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1030996.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040011.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040013.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040019.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040021.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040020.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040023.jpg


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1040029.jpg

[bcleaver]

Great update and nice work! I'm loving that car.

[Hornung418]

Yay for updates!! Did you find the right black to paint the car yet??

[Hermes]

I dunno, we might keep it camo for a while...I really want to do a full bolt off restoration but I don't have the funds for it yet

[Hornung418]

End up doing what Tinkwithanr is doing to his '02 could really take forever. He's a skilled craftsman and for him to do that it's like cake for him. Just pray you don't have any cancer hiding in the rear shock mounts or the frame rails.

[Hermes]

I've thoroughly inspected this car and haven't found any real rust. All I've seen is a little from me sanding then exposure to the salt air, hence the layer of green self etching primer. Watching his thread is making me feel bad for not going all out. Luckily for me this car has been in Cali all it's life, unlike his that he bought in MI so that's the difference in condition.

[cakM3]

JP,

Your project is lookin' great so far! :thumbsup The pics really show the progress you have made since starting this project.....keep them coming! :)

[Hermes]

new motor has arrived

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/4D717C8E-BBBF-40AC-B253-46DBBC45334D-1514-00000163879ABBB0.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/D096CE22-1A24-41FC-841E-54955A61453B-1514-000001635A92B6E7.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/47FC6181-5CDD-4907-A90E-606758F5CB4E-1514-00000163797C51EB.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/D8D37070-9C46-435D-B300-A206D2715B53-1514-000001634B160C53.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/0A20A377-3A47-4939-912C-8A89238FDDFF-1514-0000016372D72219.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/9A073A2B-9429-41F6-9276-1CB3812A389D-1514-000001636C6B4738.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/8822295A-E9D4-4447-A866-F442B0380939-1514-0000016365EC6370.jpg

also got new control arms and some plastic back Hella's so the chrome ones don't get messed up

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/7357E66F-B1BD-4781-98D7-7E00B99EC12B-1514-00000163548CC075.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/00E13BB1-B37C-4842-BDD5-BC61D088938C-1514-00000163805CF0E5.jpg

[danewilson77]

Nice!

[Oli77]

Did I miss something, why a new engine?

[johnrando]

Nice!
+1

[Hermes]

thanks guys


Did I miss something, why a new engine?

it was not worth working on any more once we realized it had a 1600 head. Just decided to find one that already was built decent rather than start over with the current one and try to find a good carbureted head, replace pistons/rods, etc for the current setup.

This one will be disassembled and rebuilt on the engine stand, car will also be disassembled and fully painted. The motor swap is kinda just the kick that was needed to finally get to the paint job

[brettbimmer]

Nice M10 JP. Helped a bud years ago pull one of these out of an '02 so that it could be rebuilt.

[Hermes]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060308.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060316.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060318.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060323.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060324.jpg

[Hermes]

this is either a 264 or 270, but both were marked '2' (depending on production date)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/AAD19CB9-2055-4C8E-B1F1-859AD9EA4A60-678-000000CA462D260E.jpg
either way it will be replaced with either a Schrick 292 or 304, or Korman reground 300

luckily the stealership had a NOS crank nut ($2.19) so I can turn the motor, the threads in the backup were toast (but it was full of crap so I didn't know until I cleaned it)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/0E933D39-02F9-4685-B9D4-92F436AF6C64-706-000000CC9FED5A43.jpg

new
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/BEB54A64-3813-42ED-A060-AF7085371E1B-678-000000CA4052F2B2.jpg

[328ioc]

Looks awesome JP. Cant wait till its done.

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[Hermes]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/5930698A-AE01-401E-92A4-885676BE3E68-3988-0000058135E565DF.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/53D63940-3488-461D-B60B-AF8226B0A989-3988-000005812F802F1A.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/B72666EA-D99E-4928-B42F-9317A2745E22-3988-0000058119467B76.jpg

[derbo]

Looks great JP!


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[Hermes]

after doing some basic math it has become apparent they this is not just a stock 1991cc motor but a .5mm overbored 2012cc version

[Hornung418]

Interesting. What led you to discover that? Can we see your calculations? Love iron blocks for that reason alone. Over bored FTW!

From a GS3, this was sent.

[Hermes]

Interesting. What led you to discover that? Can we see your calculations? Love iron blocks for that reason alone. Over bored FTW!

From a GS3, this was sent.

in the second picture I posted last night you can make out piston diameter of 89.46mm which corresponds to 2nd oversize "A" pistons

(pi x 44.73mm^2) x 80mm stroke x 4 pistons = 2012.21cc

[derbo]

No replacement for Displacement :D

[Hornung418]

Very cool! Are there high compression pistons for that diameter? And what donyou think the power gains are over the stock 1991cc engine are?

From a GS3, this was sent.

[Hermes]

Very cool! Are there high compression pistons for that diameter? And what donyou think the power gains are over the stock 1991cc engine are?

From a GS3, this was sent.

no, they're low compression flat tops (8.3:1). Probably not much of a real difference from stock, but it will help when amplifying gains from mods

[Hornung418]

Not the current ones, but is there an aftermarket demand for a product of that diameter?

From a GS3, this was sent.

[Johnmadd]

Not the current ones, but is there an aftermarket demand for a product of that diameter?

From a GS3, this was sent.

Can you do better? :) I would think this would show dyno gain if compared, just oem "new" at this point in this lifetime of this car will have drastic differences.

[Hermes]

Can you do better? :) I would think this would show dyno gain if compared, just oem "new" at this point in this lifetime of this car will have drastic differences.

with tii crowned pistons I can run 9.5:1, aftermarket is another story

[Johnmadd]

I sooooo wish I lived near you and could soak up your knowledge... I have never been deeper than a timing belt and water pump.

[Hermes]

I sooooo wish I lived near you and could soak up your knowledge... I have never been deeper than a timing belt and water pump.

Take a vacation and hang out in SD for a week, I'll take a few days off.

-------

To go back to the compression story, I honestly don't wanna change the flat tops for crowns due to the fact I'm changing cams. If I run a long duration cam I don't wanna chance a valve tapping on the crown and causing bigger issues.

side drafts + crazy cam = power


...maybe I can find a Camden and go old school crazy with it

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/Dsc003971243515145.jpg

[Hermes]

I have located a set of +0.5mm over euro tii 10.0:1 pistons...

[Hornung418]

I have located a set of +0.5mm over euro tii 10.0:1 pistons...

Go for it!

From a GS3, this was sent.

[Hermes]

looks like she's gonna be a 265hp motor...

[derbo]

Jp it better be able to go to the track with that kind of power!!


I love to be passed up by an 02...

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[Hermes]

for sure dude, hopefully she will be ready for Oktoberfest at Laguna

[johnrando]

for sure dude, hopefully she will be ready for Oktoberfest at Laguna
:chuck

[Hornung418]

Excellent!

From a GS3, this was sent.

[Hermes]

well... I guess I should explain my figures

E12 head ported and polished
881 pistons (Euro tii, E12 specific, 2nd oversize/+0.5mm, 10:1 compression)
Garrett Turbo or Camden Supercharger or other non-old school FI setup
tii headers
? grind camshaft
current displacement 2012.21cc (not changing rods/crank to make it a 2.3L)

if I do the S14 crank swap I think I can get 10-15% more power

[Hermes]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060373.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060374.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060381.jpg

4, 3
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060388.jpg

2, 1
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060389.jpg

[Hermes]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060397.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060399.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060401.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060404.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060412.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060411.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060413.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060414.jpg


then I put everything away for the night...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/P1060416.jpg

[Hermes]

and here are the 10:1 pistons

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/26888D67-12FA-4C4C-9CB0-DDD3BE1D280E-2311-000002721B9B53E2.jpg

[bcleaver]

Nice progress. Keep the updates coming.

[Hermes]

just purchased an original 1968 owners manual off eBay.de!!!

edit: please ask questions if you don't understand what I'm posting, I love sharing knowledge with other enthusiasts that will eventually save another classic car!!!!!!!

[wsmeyer]

and here are the 10:1 pistons

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/26888D67-12FA-4C4C-9CB0-DDD3BE1D280E-2311-000002721B9B53E2.jpg

Wow... No wonder you were hesitant to use them. Those domes are really tall.

[Hermes]

Wow... No wonder you were hesitant to use them. Those domes are really tall.

yeah, I'm gonna have Carl's friend do some crazy engineering mathematics way beyond my level and develop the maximum/perfect/streetable (aka idles)/trackable (aka 8000+ rpm) grind...

it's gonna cost a few pennies

[328ioc]

Do you need to strengthen the frame with that much power?

I though I heard of some one twisting theirs with just an m20 swap.

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[Ryans323i]

So, are you going to have this thing all buttoned up to make the drive to the Family Reunion this May?

[Hermes]

Do you need to strengthen the frame with that much power?

I though I heard of some one twisting theirs with just an m20 swap.

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I shouldn't need to but I plan on it anyways. Cars with bent frames like that probably had other issues .

Carb + NA this motor will produce about what a tii turbo did in 75



So, are you going to have this thing all buttoned up to make the drive to the Family Reunion this May?

hahaha, not likely since I'm supposed to be in Vegas for MFest 7 the same weekend. Carl said I can use the M5 for that show

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/S38B38/IMG_4893.jpg

[toddness]

What's the status on the 02?

I see this m5 :drool and I wonder - do I really want to start this e12 / m30b28 swap (in california) project i keep threatening...

[danewilson77]

I shouldn't need to but I plan on it anyways. Cars with bent frames like that probably had other issues .

Carb + NA this motor will produce about what a tii turbo did in 75




hahaha, not likely since I'm supposed to be in Vegas for MFest 7 the same weekend. Carl said I can use the M5 for that show

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/S38B38/IMG_4893.jpg

Rear left tire is leaking H2O.

Sent from my S4 > Mason, OH

[Hermes]

What's the status on the 02?

I see this m5 :drool and I wonder - do I really want to start this e12 / m30b28 swap (in california) project i keep threatening...

I'm currently attempting to get my long neck 3.91 out, I think I have to drop the rear subframe. Engine bay is being worked on, I still need to find time to build the replacement engine

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/27/yzytu9a9.jpg

As for the E12, if you're gonna do an engine swap I would go M30B35 (88-89 E24 or E34, don't get the E32 version)... or my buddy has a S38B35 he would sell

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/1F3C080A-1FBE-4014-B3FF-5E3D9665A12A-2015-000002E7E4BAA4A0.jpg


Rear left tire is leaking H2O.

Sent from my S4 > Mason, OH

That's a rubber mat, there a drain underneath it that needs to be blocked off so dirty oil water doesn't end up in the ocean

[danewilson77]

I was trying to make a funny.

Sent from my S4 > Mason, OH

[Hermes]

I know, just got caught up in the response

[danewilson77]

I know, just got caught up in the response

:)

Sent from my S4 > Mason, OH

[Hermes]

Ok, here is my current point of being stuck

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/27/dude7ydu.jpg

I don't think I ever posted these but I picked up some Porsche or VW Recaro's (not sure which), just need to get some E21 brackets so I can mount them

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/27/jagu4y5y.jpg

[derbo]

I like those recaros! Those would be nice in my girls e30

sent from a Moto X

[Pip]

I like those recaros! Those would be nice in my girls e30

sent from a Moto X

Now I'm interested in pictures. You've been hiding another bimmer from us.

[toddness]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/27/jagu4y5y.jpg

So sweet ! I need to find those in brown/tan for my 02...

[Hermes]

I forgot to post this, won an auction on eBay.de a while back. This arrived about 2 weeks ago

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/61C1F185-42BD-465F-B1A9-5CB4C1B31E47.png

In case you don't recognize it, that's the instrument cluster from a turbo. I'll put my speedo in so I still have my mileage

[toddness]

That's so cool! Nice score!

[derbo]

That looks awesome! :D

[brettbimmer]

'02 Turbo mods FTW! Ready for more photos once it is in the car.

:roundel

[johnrando]

Very nice.

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[Hermes]

Thanks everybody!

[cakM3]

JP....really loving how those Recaros are looking in your 2002!!! Looks perfect! :thumbsup


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[Hermes]

Thanks Charlie! I really like the Trophy's and would love to find another set for the E21

[cakM3]

Keep it going JP.....your 2002 has come a long way and it is awesome to see the progress you have made on her! :)


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[Hermes]

I decided to actually buy 2 braces/battery relocates from TEP ;)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/E3724572-D532-4F9F-8A15-5BA26C3988AB.jpg

2002 in front

[328ioc]

I decided to actually buy 2 braces/battery relocates from TEP ;)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/E3724572-D532-4F9F-8A15-5BA26C3988AB.jpg

2002 in front

And 50/50 weight distribution achieved.

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[Hermes]

Subframe out

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/0C127B65-3CE1-4CC9-A5D2-DA79D15E9120.jpg

[BCS_ZHP]

And what subframe might be going back in there??

[Hermes]

Same one, just need to weld in some reinforcement and repaint it. Will refresh all the bushings while it's out. Will figure out how to install the Alfa Brembo's too

[BCS_ZHP]

Looked at Stuart's 02 today, beautiful wheels, a couple of minor things to finish before he gets it back on the road. He's going to redo the paint & bodywork over the winter, and another little surprise he's considering. Promised I wouldn't spoil the secret surprise but he has some experience with it on on another platform.

[Hornung418]

Bagged 02...

JP, pics of the Brembos?

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[Hermes]

Bagged 02...

JP, pics of the Brembos?

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Lol... staying stock McPherson setup, just refreshing things.

They're just 2-pot Brembo's
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[Hornung418]

Lol... staying stock McPherson setup, just refreshing things.

They're just 2-pot Brembo's
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Ha was venturing a guess about Stuart's secret mod :)

That looks like a healthy upgrade. Direct bolt on or is an adapter necessary?

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[Hermes]

I think I need to convert to E21 hubs and vented rotors, don't remember right now

[Hermes]

Appx measurements:

Stock, 60mm x 40mm = 2.4cm^3

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/ECA10368-8677-4B61-8F9C-7D1E7488D35F.jpg

Brembo 70mm x 50mm = 3.5cm^3

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/74F86FE4-05FC-4581-BE94-002F1831A162_1.jpg

45% more pad surface = BBK

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2002/95EB6F34-7B50-4232-9CD5-AFC6275D84F3_1.jpg

[Hornung418]

That's such a heavy looking piece for tiny pads. Any weight measurements?

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[Hermes]

That's such a heavy looking piece for tiny pads. Any weight measurements?

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Yeah, but you have to remember these brakes were designed to clear 13" wheels. These are huge brakes for that diameter.

[Hornung418]

Yeah, but you have to remember these brakes were designed to clear 13" wheels. These are huge brakes for that diameter.

Man...thanks for that reminder. The smallest stock wheels I've ever driven on were 15x7 and 15x8 cookie cutters. So hard to imagine such small wheels!!

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[Hermes]

Man...thanks for that reminder. The smallest stock wheels I've ever driven on were 15x7 and 15x8 cookie cutters. So hard to imagine such small wheels!!

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Racing steelies weigh nothing and are cheap...

I think 13x7 is $50/wheel? Finding tires is an issue though. 15x7 steelies are around $65/wheel

[Hornung418]

Damn. That's inexpensive as hell!

So do you have to machine a bracket for the new Alfa calipers?

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[Hermes]

I don't think so, I think I merely need to order some E21 vented rotors. I believe I need to use the stock late E21 hubs, which I already have on my 320. Since I will be upgrading that car to 323 brakes and early hubs I will have no other use for the E21 hubs.

[Hornung418]

Okay. Interested to see it all come together.

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[Hermes]

Put the crank in the other night

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171021/07b59a36054d68bd010301c735408137.jpg

Going to install pistons today https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171021/fbc6d7af2e922c8d3a279a339f6dc45d.jpg

[Hermes]

In

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171022/690236d675c8122abf9207062c3b3c96.jpg

[danewilson77]

Very nice JP.

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