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  1. #51
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    gary, did you get your VinceBar yet?

    mine is delayed a bit, as vince is building a 'Touring-specific' test bar for my Touring (since i'm not installing in my sedan any longer). he says it will be an easier install (awesome), and still fit under the interior floor panels of the Touring. awesome.
    peter

    2005 330iT ZHP | the Growlour

    2010 328iT M Sport | smooth operator

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    No not yet, I'm waiting for the Vince Plates.
    BAV Stage 1 - BlueBus - UltraGauge - V1 - Orion V4's - ARC-8's - Brembo 996
    TTFS Engine/SMG Tune/CSL 255 - SGT Headers/Sect 1/SCZA - Evolve Eventuri
    VIS XTS CF Hood - CF Lip/Console/Diffuser - OE CSL Trunk - BWS 500S 9k/11k

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOLFN8TR View Post
    No not yet, I'm waiting for the Vince Plates.
    nice. i'm waiting for my set of those as well.
    peter

    2005 330iT ZHP | the Growlour

    2010 328iT M Sport | smooth operator

  4. #54
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    Can't wait for both of your reviews of this installation...
    Dinan CAI &Throttle body, ESS Tuning TS2, Bimmerbrakes gen3 headers, UUC SSK & DSSR. Achilles oil pump, VAC oil pan baffle
    M3 Motor mounts, UUC Trans mounts, Modified clutch style LSD 3.15, TMS front subframe reinforcement, Koni Yellow sports,
    H&R sport springs,
    UUC sway bars, BMW Perf. Rotors, UUC SS brake lines, Hawk HPS pads, CSL replica wheels,
    Rotora strut bar, FXR HID conversion, M3 Mirror conversion, BSW stage 1 speakers

  5. #55
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    VinceSkinz now available!!!



    Quote Originally Posted by VinceSE2 View Post
    I've now come far enough in the development of the VinceSkinz (fka VincePlates) that I feel it's time to share what I'm up to.


    Here are some pictures of the "Stage 1" skinz that'll hopefully help catch your interest.














    And here are a couple of pictures of the front "Stage 2" skinz

















    And here's the story.


    While repairing and reinforcing my personal M3 http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...p?p=1067164063 I really wanted to get something better than just a plate to cover the existing cracks.


    Ideally I wanted something that was more of a "cup" rather than a plate. Something that would fit snugly against the RACP and essentially add more thickness to it.


    The closest I could find where the Redish plates. So I got them.


    They are a great product, but while welding them to my RACP I kept thinking about that "cup" option. And could there be a way to avoid this welding mess while still securing the plate/cup to the threaded receiver inside the RACP?


    After thinking about this for a long time, and having developed the Epoxy/Rivet version of the VinceBar kit, I felt I had figured it out. While also addressed a few issues not yet covered, as well as introducing a couple of "Industry firsts".


    So I decided to develop what I called the VincePlates at that time.


    As some of you already know, you can read more about the background and early development in this thread http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=552534


    If your impatient jump to post #28


    So lets talk about the design itself.


    This application is designed primarily for epoxy/rivet installation. Mostly because I feel there's really no such design commercially available today (at least not that I've seen), and because I really believe it's very beneficial to not have to weld. And thus not have to deal with the heat related consequences associated with welding.


    That said, it'll certainly be possible to weld these on as well.


    (While talking about epoxied plates, I have been asked multiple times if it would be possible to remove previously installed plates and move to the VinceSkinz.
    If you currently have TMS style plates epoxied they should come off fairly smoothly with the use of a powerful heat gun. And after some cleaning up you should be good to install a set of VinceSkinz in a Stage of your choice.)


    Unique features.


    The VinceSkinz design offers these major benefits (which I believe have not previously been commercially available):


    1. No welding required (but possible) - The VinceSkinz are designed with epoxy and rivets in mind. This means they can be installed without needing a welder. Thus potentially cutting cost (if youd need to hite a welder) and avoiding all heat related issues it also offers a clean and DIY friendly installation.
    * The rivets secure the skinz to the base plate of the threaded receiver, as well as to all dual layer sheet metal areas in reach of the particular skin.
    * The epoxy bonds the entire surface of the skin to the mating surface of the RACP. This adds thickness to the RACP as no gaps are present between the two.
    * Welding is naturally still an option. The Vince Skinz should in fact be a lot easier to weld to the RACP as the sheet metal thicknesses are so much closer to each other. The rivet holes would be enlarged to accommodate plug welds.


    2. Pre formed - The Vince Skinz are pre formed to snuggly fit against the RACP.

    In addition to very efficiently utilizing the material (saving weight) by using a thinner skin which is tightly bonded to the RACP to provide exceptional strength, this also saves a lot of time during installation. And it makes the installation much easier then for instance having to form a plates during installation.


    3. Smother stress transition - By using thinner sheet metal (1mm), and thinning the perimeters even further


    (Notice how the perimeter has been ground at an angle in this picture)

    there's no large step in thickness (going from the sub 1mm RACP skin to a 2mm or 3mm or more in some cases). Large steps create harmful stress concentrations that are prone to fatigue failure. Especially if that perimeter also has been welded and the material is weakened by the local heat from the weld.


    So smoothening the stress transition is beneficial in terms of fatigue.


    Thanks to the multi layer option (bullet 5 below) where each layer has a coverage difference which results in multiple thickness transitions

    this smooth stress transition is preserved even at larger total skin thickness.


    4. Multiple sizes - In an effort to address damage of varying degrees while at the same time minimizing the impact on the chassis and the labor required, the VinceSkinz come in different sizes and coverage.
    If cracks are found at an early stage,











    AND the VinceBar kit (or an equivalent RACP load reliving option) is installed along with the VinceSkinz, there's no need to install large skinz.


    However, if the damage has gone so far that the cracks reach beyond the immediate vicinity of the mounting surface, and/or material is even missing from the RACP





    Notice how the crack runs all the way to the end of the RACP skin to the right in this picture.

    There's a VinceSkin that addresses this as well


















    This is the pre feb 2000 build date issue



    There are various VinceSkin stages that addresses this as well.


    5. Multilayer option - For anyone who wants/needs maximum strength, or needs to cover areas where the RACP may have holes, the VinceSkinz are designed to allow multiple layers.


    The multi layer design of the VinceSkins provide:
    • A very close fit against the underside of the RACP (hence "skins" rather than plates) made possible by the thinner sheet metal in each layer
    • Digressive plate thickness providing a smooth stress transition
    • Flexibility in terms of coverage and protection. Larger skins with more coverage for old RACP with existing cracks, and smaller skins for pristine, or replaced, RACP's with minimal or no cracks.
    • Ability to mix and match skin layers to accommodate any special needs


    TBC
    BAV Stage 1 - BlueBus - UltraGauge - V1 - Orion V4's - ARC-8's - Brembo 996
    TTFS Engine/SMG Tune/CSL 255 - SGT Headers/Sect 1/SCZA - Evolve Eventuri
    VIS XTS CF Hood - CF Lip/Console/Diffuser - OE CSL Trunk - BWS 500S 9k/11k

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