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  1. #21
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    Ride stance and profile with new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S at 245/40 all the way around

    Not quite stock height due to installment of new H&R sport springs but it's not much lower.
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    '04 300 330i ZHP 6MT 3.46

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    SWEEEEET! Any spacers?
    2004 BMW 330i ZHP (50k miles), Jet Black with black leather, MFactory LSD (3.38) with Z4 cover, 18"x8.5" ET38 APEX Arc-8's (Anthracite) with 245/40 Michelin PSS', Koni Sports with factory springs and front and rear reinforcement plates, Shark Injector, Corsa TSE3 cat-back exhaust, TMS under-driven pulleys (water & steering), CDV delete, TMS CF strut brace, K&W CAI, GAS DISA rebuild, TMS pedals, Wheelskins steering wheel cover, roller tray center console, and WeatherTech floor and cargo mats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reasoned1 View Post
    SWEEEEET! Any spacers?
    no spacers as of yet. I'll determine that need when I receive the car. Most likely will throw some in the rear....
    '04 300 330i ZHP 6MT 3.46

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnrando View Post
    Staggered is there to promote understeer which is there to make it easier for the avg driver to control the car. Of course it's to the driver's preference as to what they are looking for.

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    I have a coupe. When i bought it, previous owner had square setup (225 and 8in rim all around). I threw on some 235 all around and drove it like that for 4 years. A couple months ago I tracked down an original staggered setup, and TBH I much prefer the staggered. Yes the square setup was more neutral, even had a bit of oversteer, but it was also more prone to wandering on the highway. I have a 3.38 diff and found the rears would break loose easily (obviously not an issue if u do 255 all around). I can see the square beinng a benefit for tire rotation and for autocrossing, but having run both swtups, id choose staggered for its looks and overall stability. Considering much more powerful cars than ours (like the m3) still run 225 in the front, maybe we shuld consider throwing more rubber in the front may cause more issues than it solves (unless u never drive on a highway and ur commute is an autocross course)

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    I just listed 2 sets of 12mm spacers for sale if anyone is (or wants to run square) and have a little extra width in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnrando View Post
    Square. I run 245/35 which a lot of people do. Mine are 18x8.5. Thinking of putting in small spacer in rear w my Apex EC-7 at ET 38.

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    What PSI are you running in the tires with this square setup?
    '04 300 330i ZHP 6MT 3.46

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    I usually run 34 pounds all around--I love the square set-up. The staggered set-up does seem more stable, but the square set-up with 245's is more dynamic and fun to me--with all the other practical benefits.
    2004 BMW 330i ZHP (50k miles), Jet Black with black leather, MFactory LSD (3.38) with Z4 cover, 18"x8.5" ET38 APEX Arc-8's (Anthracite) with 245/40 Michelin PSS', Koni Sports with factory springs and front and rear reinforcement plates, Shark Injector, Corsa TSE3 cat-back exhaust, TMS under-driven pulleys (water & steering), CDV delete, TMS CF strut brace, K&W CAI, GAS DISA rebuild, TMS pedals, Wheelskins steering wheel cover, roller tray center console, and WeatherTech floor and cargo mats

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    I do 38 all around but I don't have any magical reason why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnrando View Post
    I do 38 all around but I don't have any magical reason why.

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    +1

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