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    Durability of real carbon fiber trim vs. carbon fiber wrap

    Would members comment on their experience regarding the comparative durability [i.e. longevity] of real carbon fiber interior trim vs. carbon wrap interior trim (setting aside aesthetics).

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    Well, real CF handles scratches and stuff way better. You could even wrap them in PPF to help with that. The only problem you get is that with cheaper real CF, they don't use UV stable epoxy so then they start to yellow. They are harder to repair if something bad does happen to them. Wrap is cheaper, stays the same pretty much all the time aside from scratches and stuff. It's easily repairable if you scuff a piece, you just rewrap. It just doesn't look real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillieidiot View Post
    Well, real CF handles scratches and stuff way better. You could even wrap them in PPF to help with that. The only problem you get is that with cheaper real CF, they don't use UV stable epoxy so then they start to yellow. They are harder to repair if something bad does happen to them. Wrap is cheaper, stays the same pretty much all the time aside from scratches and stuff. It's easily repairable if you scuff a piece, you just rewrap. It just doesn't look real.
    Thank you for your input.

    Are you familiar with Rogue Engineering? https://www.rdfablife.com/carbon-fib...o3dYQVdfN7W4ck

    I am considering their services to carbon wrap the interior pieces for my 2005 ZHP vert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satcho View Post
    Thank you for your input.

    Are you familiar with Rogue Engineering? https://www.rdfablife.com/carbon-fib...o3dYQVdfN7W4ck

    I am considering their services to carbon wrap the interior pieces for my 2005 ZHP vert.
    I am. They do use real CF, but I don't like how they lay some of the CF. It's like they try to use a little material as possible so you see like gaps here and there. It looks like they do a wet-lay process to me. That's just from some of the pieces I've seen though. But I think most people would gloss over that detail and be content with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillieidiot View Post
    I am. They do use real CF, but I don't like how they lay some of the CF. It's like they try to use a little material as possible so you see like gaps here and there. It looks like they do a wet-lay process to me. That's just from some of the pieces I've seen though. But I think most people would gloss over that detail and be content with it.
    Rogue responded to my inquiry but did not provide specifics. Since their core services involve fiberglass, I'm certain they are simply transferring those techniques to the carbon fiber application. Rogue is about 50 minutes from me.

    Karbonius prices are tolerable but with the 20% VAT it becomes pricey. I like the Karbonius process.


    I've attached the NVD Autsport (Thailand) price list for E46 vehicles. bmw-e46-carbon-fiber-price-2020.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satcho View Post
    Rogue responded to my inquiry but did not provide specifics. Since their core services involve fiberglass, I'm certain they are simply transferring those techniques to the carbon fiber application. Rogue is about 50 minutes from me.

    Karbonius prices are tolerable but with the 20% VAT it becomes pricey. I like the Karbonius process.


    I've attached the NVD Autsport (Thailand) price list for E46 vehicles. bmw-e46-carbon-fiber-price-2020.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satcho View Post
    Rogue responded to my inquiry but did not provide specifics. Since their core services involve fiberglass, I'm certain they are simply transferring those techniques to the carbon fiber application. Rogue is about 50 minutes from me.

    Karbonius prices are tolerable but with the 20% VAT it becomes pricey. I like the Karbonius process.


    I've attached the NVD Autsport (Thailand) price list for E46 vehicles. bmw-e46-carbon-fiber-price-2020.pdf
    If Rogue is local, I would deal with them directly. The support will be a lot better imo. You can also check the product directly before you pick it up, it's way better than doing it the other way around.

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    Durability of real carbon fiber trim vs. carbon fiber wrap

    I would DIY, itís super easy. YouTube some how to videos. I did the trim in my 08 2500HD and it still looks new. Survived several HOT desert summers.

    https://youtu.be/sQMTRRjewjo

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    I have had a number of conversations with Rogue Engineering. I will using them when I do the trim on my sedan. But if I had a coupe I would find a provider that does real carbon fiber. They are out their for sure. Try - https://karbonius.net/producto/bmw-e...-trim-kit-lhd/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApexHitter View Post
    I have had a number of conversations with Rogue Engineering. I will using them when I do the trim on my sedan. But if I had a coupe I would find a provider that does real carbon fiber. They are out their for sure. Try - https://karbonius.net/producto/bmw-e...-trim-kit-lhd/
    Thank you for the information. I had identified Karnonius ;however, the website I had sourced could not be reached (http://www.karbonius.es/web_ing/prod.../base_bmw.html). I will seek to understand Rogue's process and conduct a comparative with Karbonius. My general understanding at this juncture is that Rogue uses actual carbon fiber, not a vinyl wrap.

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