If not a ZHP, what would you drive?

[yura]

I thought there was a similar thread already, but can't find it, so here goes...

If you could only have one car, and it couldn't be a ZHP, what would it be? Let's keep it in the ZHP~ish price, range. ie, under $25k or so.

For me, I'm in a 335i Coupe, but have to say I'm longing for an E46 M3 (ZHP being a first preference, obvs).

[NorCalZman]

wow thats tough. I am having a blast with the E46. I might just be in a really nice 330i. I was actually shopping for one when my BMW enthusiast friend said I should go for a ZHP specifically. I am so so glad he did, of course. haha.

If we are talking attainable yet price is less of an object, I might be gunning for a 2 series.

[derbo]

Wow, if it is only one car around $25K?

What zhp is near $25K???


It most likely have to be a BMW M3 ZCP, or a 135i. Porsche Boxster also comes to mind.

[Vas]

If something happened to my zhp and I would have to replace it with another car, I would highly consider the Acura TSX special edition.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1112_2012_acura_tsx_special_edition_6_speed_first_ test/

It would be another comfy, sporty and fun to drive daily.

[yura]

What zhp is near $25K???

I didn't mean to imply that many ZHPs are around $25k, but rather that a $25k price point is not an unattainable stretch for any ZHP owner (~$15k for a nice ZHP, save another $10k). Basically, a "reasonable" price point.

[Hermes]

E28 M5 (can be found in the low 20s)

[yura]

E28 M5 (can be found in the low 20s)

Interesting option. Didn't see this one coming.

I think I'd have to add E39 540i M-Sport and M5 to my options.

[Hermes]

Just note that a rebuild on a S38 can cost over $10k

[QC_ZHP]

Still an e46 for every day duties. Love these cars.

[stephenkirsh]

A 330i sedan :)

ZSP, of course.

[fredo]

Undecided between a Mini Cooper (which I already have ... man, those cars are fun) or the e90 335i LCI.

[JKO_ZHP]

I have an affinity for 2004+ E46 coupes but assuming none were available at the time back then....
1) 2008+ HR 350Z
2) Salvaged (but no frame damage) 350Z Nismo
3) Newer G35 (no G37, rear on G35 looks meaner)
4) AP2 S2000
5) E36 M3

[webster]

i really like the new Audi S3s. Same size as the B4 A4 from the 90s and approx same size as the E46.

but apparently there is talk of bringing only the Auto trans to US. boo radley. that would be a deal breaker.

[cakM3]

I drive this if I'm not driving my ZHP...

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/macdctr/M3/83cd3e0b-fa84-4d2b-a04e-eda4a48e06b9_zps2f624681.jpg

[yura]

Just found these on my local CL:
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/4301242661.html
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/ctd/4278526834.html

Oh my...

Hardly the most reliable cars, but something about them is appealing to me.

[yura]

I drive this...

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/macdctr/M3/83cd3e0b-fa84-4d2b-a04e-eda4a48e06b9_zps2f624681.jpg

I can't adequately explain how I feel about that image without bringing up numerous sexual references, so I'll just say

:like

[JKO_ZHP]

Are those blue-painted bowls? Or is it just the reflection from the bulb?

[cakM3]

I can't adequately explain how I feel about that image without bringing up numerous sexual references, so I'll just say

:like

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/macdctr/M3/83cd3e0b-fa84-4d2b-a04e-eda4a48e06b9_zps2f624681.jpg

:biggrin I feel the same way when I see this pic ;) "Liquid Mercury"



Are those blue-painted bowls? Or is it just the reflection from the bulb?

They're reflections from the bulbs...

[johnrando]

Hmmm, I thought for sure we had a thread like this. My first choice w/b E46 M3 Vert (if we're talking affordable). Or, an NSX or Z4 if in the $25K price range. What do Audi S4's run?

[yura]

What do Audi S4's run?

There are numerous local options for $16-20k with decent mileage and good condition. I'd imagine they'll be even cheaper in US.

[yura]

Found a local Mystic Blue 6MT M-Sport sedan :).

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/4301726921.html

47k miles.

Yum.

Anyone want to buy my car so I can snatch that up? haha

[Bird-Dog]

Good used 335i coupe would probably be my first choice in $25K range.

If I had to go with something new for $25K I might have to have a closer look at the Scion FR-S. For a sensible new family sedan at a reasonable price, the new Ford fusion looks outstanding.

Price independent, I'd love to have an Aston Martin Vantage V8 - coupe or roadster makes for a tough decision - but must be 6MT. Of course, that's just a weekend car... DD would have to be M6 Gran Coupe to go with it!

[Avetiso]

Z4M
135i
535i

[PirateZHP]

Found a local Mystic Blue 6MT M-Sport sedan :).

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/4301726921.html

47k miles.

Yum.

Anyone want to buy my car so I can snatch that up? haha

That is beautiful!

[SoDelBMW]

I would probably have to go with a 2000- 2002 M coupe. They are sick!


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[Washburn]

335is
...perhaps 135is...but 335is more likely.

[QC_ZHP]

I'd consider getting an Audi B5 S4. They're problem childs, but they make great power.

[BavarianZHP]

My heart would have to say a 335is (price is bit steep still). But I think I would quickly tire of only two doors so practicality speaking it would have to be a e90 (probably a 328i) sedan if not for the ZHP. Needless to say, I'm happy that I have a ZHP.

[Hermes]

I would probably have to go with a 2000- 2002 M coupe. They are sick!


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Too small inside

[gmurphy]

Porsche 911
BMW 135is


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[Hermes]

Porsche 911

I hope you mean real 911 and not 964, 993, 996, 997, and 991

[Washburn]

If I had a 335is/135is, I know I would hate the dash/cockpit after getting used to the E46 cockpit....
Still 135/335is is probably the best I can think of...
(Audi S5...ehhh...IDK - might be an option)

[gmurphy]

I hope you mean real 911 and not 964, 993, 996, 997, and 991

1965-83 :)


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[gmurphy]

I hope you mean real 911 and not 964, 993, 996, 997, and 991

Maybe a 930


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[Hermes]

1965-83 :)


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I'll sell you our '71, only 80k original miles...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/71%20911T/C8C3B1D3-BE07-4AD8-96A4-2C1311728A08-4200-00000522324035FA.jpg

I have all the parts, you just need to put it back together ;)

[gmurphy]

I'll sell you our '71, only 80k original miles...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/71%20911T/C8C3B1D3-BE07-4AD8-96A4-2C1311728A08-4200-00000522324035FA.jpg

I have all the parts, you just need to put it back together ;)

As tempting as that would be in looking for something a little more turn key :) haha how long have you had that?


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[illirep]

E28 M5 (can be found in the low 20s)

Or you can drop $60k for one at EAG. That car is a time machine though. These are on my daily search list.

[Hermes]

As tempting as that would be in looking for something a little more turn key :) haha how long have you had that?


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3 years? Very little progress due to other projects distracting us


Or you can drop $60k for one at EAG. That car is a time machine though. These are on my daily search list.

EAG is way too overpriced in my opinion. A well sorted US spec 3.5L should be around $40k, Euro up to $55k

[gmurphy]

Or you can drop $60k for one at EAG. That car is a time machine though. These are on my daily search list.

Holy cow $60k! It is my favorite 5 series though beside the e39. It is such a great looking car.


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[gmurphy]

I'll sell you our '71, only 80k original miles...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/71%20911T/C8C3B1D3-BE07-4AD8-96A4-2C1311728A08-4200-00000522324035FA.jpg

I have all the parts, you just need to put it back together ;)

I bet she will look beautiful when she is done!


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[NorCal-Dimitri]

Before I discovered the ZHP, I had my heart set on an E36 M3. I ended up going for the zhp because of easier maintenance, 6 speed gearbox, gas mileage, and insurance reasons. If I had the same amount of money before I picked up the ZHP, I'd go for the E36 M3. <3

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mavfszR3Da1qht0e4o1_500.jpg

[Hermes]

This is the only E28 I can see paying over $60k for

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/S38B38/C095967F-867C-4D50-90B5-FDE2C7A38112-16018-000015F14243DC2E.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/S38B38/IMG_4890.jpg

Total sleeper 1985 Salmon Silver/Blue leather Euro spec ///M535i w/S38B38 swap +extra mods

I blew past E92 M3's on my way to MFest last summer in this car

[JKO_ZHP]

Before I discovered the ZHP, I had my heart set on an E36 M3. I ended up going for the zhp because of easier maintenance, 6 speed gearbox, gas mileage, and insurance reasons. If I had the same amount of money before I picked up the ZHP, I'd go for the E36 M3. <3

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mavfszR3Da1qht0e4o1_500.jpg

That color, coupe, subtle but mean-looking mods, and condition.....:drool

[BRGcoopahS]

A 964 S. I'd love to own a 911.

[BRGcoopahS]

Are those blue-painted bowls? Or is it just the reflection from the bulb?

I've just realized your ZHP is an exact twin of cakm3's M3. They're both so aggressive.

[cakM3]

I've just realized your ZHP is an exact twin of cakm3's M3. They're both so aggressive.

I never considered my ///M as being so aggressive looking. Thanks!


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[danewilson77]

I never considered my ///M as being so aggressive looking. Thanks!


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:rofl whatever

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[derbo]

LOL.

[oldzilla]

S4 vert 6spd, 911 carrera 4s

[cakM3]

S4 vert 6spd, 911 carrera 4s

The 911 C4S is an awesome car to drive. I had a chance to drive my best friend's C4S before he traded it in for his current Audi R8. Awesome car...:thumbsup

[328ioc]

This is hard. I would probably be in an E46 M3 or an E39 540i M-Sport.

If it wasn't a BMW I would love to drive a 944. Preferably a turbo....may still buy one in the future.

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[cakM3]

This is hard. I would probably be in an E46 M3 or an E39 540i M-Sport.

If it wasn't a BMW I would love to drive a 944. Preferably a turbo....may still buy one in the future.

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Funny you mention the E39 540i M-Sport and 944 Devlin. I had a 944 many years ago and enjoyed driving it :) The 540i M-Sport is no joke....man is that car fast!

[328ioc]

Poor mans M5 right there.

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[cakM3]

Poor mans M5 right there.

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Yeah but it's still plenty fast :)

[Hornung418]

Black on black Porsche 944 Turbo S. Only other car I would own.

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[cakM3]

I have always loved Stone Grey Metallic color on the Porsche 944. This is the color my 944 was....

[derbo]

Poor mans M5 right there.

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Funny you mention the E39 540i M-Sport and 944 Devlin. I had a 944 many years ago and enjoyed driving it :) The 540i M-Sport is no joke....man is that car fast!


Yeah but it's still plenty fast :)

My old coworker has one.

https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/181135_10100520626167845_407686752_n.jpg


In 3rd gear, he starts to walk me away. On the track, he has been 1-2 seconds behind me but not by much! The car is a heavy one and even with track pads, his stock rotors are taking a huge beating. He just went to Thunderhill this past saturday and I was told he cooked his rotors. He had to do an emergency run to a store up in Chico to get spare set of rotors to continue to race. Once his braking issues are sorted, I can see him toasting me. Not if I swap an S54 though.. ;)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c-Wez39pAA&list=UU6WHXri7RK-yuG6NDkKziEQ&feature=c4-overview

[iya_e46]

fully restored TE27 Trueno

[amunsey688]

My previous car (now my dads) was a 2002 BMW 540i Sport and I absolutely loved that car. I like the ZHP slightly better since its a little more sporty and lighter on its feet, but if I didn't have the ZHP, I would still be driving the 540i

[KevinC]

E28 or E34 M5. On the chase now. ;)

[ELCID86]

Probably an Acura TL (let the hating begin)


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[gmurphy]

Probably an Acura TL (let the hating begin)


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Are you kidding me!!! Haha just kidding :)


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[Au1994]

No hate from me. I had a 2010 TSX and it was a damn nice car. But I got the fever one day and had always wanted a BMW so that led me to an E92. Truthfully I wanted a BMW when I got the Acura but talked myself out of it. If you can get passed the fwd, Acura makes a good car and great value for the money.

Not real sure where they are going with the ILX though. Probably the same place BMW is with the 320i.

[ELCID86]

Agree on the ILX confusion. My wife drives an 08 TSX.


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[oldzilla]

Hard choice, but I was looking at the first two if I could not find my ZHP


911 Carrera 4S
Jaguar XKR
BMW 550


The 550 well I just like it.

[Avetiso]

Hard choice, but I was looking at the first two if I could not find my ZHP


911 Carrera 4S
Jaguar XKR
BMW 550


The 550 well I just like it.
The 550 just screams "badass" to me. Idk why.

[oldzilla]

The 550 just screams "badass" to me. Idk why.

I know it was like when I was a kid and saw my first E type just says hey you come drive me.

[maliceM3]

If I'm not driving the ZHP, I'm in the 335.

The next car will be a M235.

[niart906]

If I were not in an E46, I would consider...
1.) E60 M5
2.) 996/7 Carrera

Realistically, I don't see myself parting with the E46. It's got too many miles to be worth anything and too much sentimental value for me to let it go. And adding a Carrera to the garage is a bit of a dream, a 4-door M5 on the other hand makes sense. (In my warped view of reality at least) It's much more kid friendly than a 2 door coupe. It's also much easier to convince the SO to get a 4-door than it is to convince her we need another coupe.

[gmurphy]

If the E46 did not exist I would be saving every penny I had for an early 911. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/27/ru5yveva.jpg


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[UdubBadger]

Well since I don't I guess my answer is an e46 M3???

If it's a wish list:

Porsche 911
Porsche Cayman S

That's a stretch if money isn't any object, wouldn't be able to afford even a 997.1 or 986 of those models.

If I was on the same budget I am now (or close) in order:

Audi TTRS
Audi S4
BMW 135i
Audi SQ5
A really clean, low mile, e36 M3 manual trans sedan with dove grey interior.


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[slater]

canadian-spec 2003-2005 330i M-Sport (essentially a ZHP minus the cams, software and rear diff) - actively looking now for one, as well as a ZHP sedan.

peter

[gmurphy]

canadian-spec 2003-2005 330i M-Sport (essentially a ZHP minus the cams, software and rear diff) - actively looking now for one, as well as a ZHP sedan.

peter

+1


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[Simmsled]

If no ZHP...
GS350 F Sport
http://media.caranddriver.com/images/11q4/424154/2013-lexus-gs350-f-sport-official-photos-and-info-news-car-and-driver-photo-425642-s-429x262.jpg

If you haven't driven one, Lexus did their homework on this one.

[scooby24]

Subarus. They are my bread and butter as I've owned 6, and am picking up my 7th on monday. 2004 Forester XT 5spd.

[UdubBadger]

If no ZHP...
GS350 F Sport
http://media.caranddriver.com/images/11q4/424154/2013-lexus-gs350-f-sport-official-photos-and-info-news-car-and-driver-photo-425642-s-429x262.jpg

If you haven't driven one, Lexus did their homework on this one.
Dats a nice ride for sure



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[BCAN]

M Coupe.

Nothing else. M coupe, with an S50B32 swap on some Livery race protos and all kinds of other sexiness. Shu 4 lyfe.

[e3thekid]

E36 m3
e46 m3
e28 m5
e39 m5
04-06 STI

[elsanto]

I'm shocked theres no E30 love in here, whats wrong with you guys! :) (granted its a stretch to daily drive)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/elsanto_parts_2006/IMG_1926.jpeg

[QC_ZHP]

An e30 project is definitely on the to-do list. Need a nice garage to wrench in first.

[elsanto]

Subarus. They are my bread and butter as I've owned 6, and am picking up my 7th on monday. 2004 Forester XT 5spd.

The 04's had the crazy 4.11 diff didn't they? they were seriously fast, and you can bolt on everything from a wrx :) I've had 4 Subies myself, great cars!

[Stigissimo]

If no ZHP - an e46 m3 or a b7 rs4. Really original, I know :/

[pfr]

The April issue of Car&Driver has a nice writeup on the M235i...

[johnrando]

Give me yours and I'll love it and talk about it. Just saw a 2 series with all the CAMO disguise.

[scooby24]

The 04's had the crazy 4.11 diff didn't they? they were seriously fast, and you can bolt on everything from a wrx :) I've had 4 Subies myself, great cars!

Yup, pretty fast even in stock form, but man that highway rpm is brutal.

[Avetiso]

Crown Vic

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[gmurphy]

Crown Vic

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:rofl
Good car though. You can stick a few lights on it and you would be set!


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[JKO_ZHP]

More and more tempted every day to sell the ZHP and get a 350Z Nismo, there are quite a few to choose from in SoCal on Craigslist alone.....faster, 6MT, rare(r), LSD, handling is phenomenal from the reviews, etc.....

Wish I could've at least driven one to see the differences for myself. Who knows, maybe then the ZHP I've got now would still be on the market from back then. Or the complete opposite, and I never would have even talked about switching then.

[Avetiso]

:rofl
Good car though. You can stick a few lights on it and you would be set!


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My brothers car handled tighter than my zhp. It was actually a fantastic car.

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[danewilson77]

More and more tempted every day to sell the ZHP and get a 350Z Nismo, there are quite a few to choose from in SoCal on Craigslist alone.....faster, 6MT, rare(r), LSD, handling is phenomenal from the reviews, etc.....

Wish I could've at least driven one to see the differences for myself. Who knows, maybe then the ZHP I've got now would still be on the market from back then. Or the complete opposite, and I never would have even talked about switching then.

Guy had a 370Z Nismo at my previous job.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/IMAG0674.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/nicee46/media/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/IMAG0674.jpg.html)

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/IMAG0673.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/nicee46/media/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/IMAG0673.jpg.html)

[ELCID86]

Bump. Any updates?


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[Simmsled]

I just know I'm going to have a Jeep Wrangler phase at some point.

It's inevitable. Had one in ATL this week as a rental. Wrangler Unlimited Sport something or other.

BUT... I live in Indianapolis, and there really aren't any places to properly use a Wrangler.
So maybe I should buy some boulders to install in my driveway at some point.
Then I would have no choice but to get one?

[BMWCurves]

Hmm...as the original post says a budget around $25k, I'd look into:

MkVII VW GTI w/ Performance Package
B7 A4 Avant w/ Titanium Package
Higher mileage E46 M3 or E39 M5
Higher mileage Cayman
Ford Fiesta/Focus ST
Some franken 330i Touring.

Or maybe something more vintage like:

Datsun 240Z
Classic Mini (1990s with fuel injection and disc brakes)
VW Westfalia and do the whole #VanLife thing
This M5 Touring (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-bmw-m5-touring/)
This E30 M3 with an S52 (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-bmw-m3-3/)
Land Rover Defender
An old Triumph or Alfa

[EoSNJ]

E31 - either a 93-94 850i (M70), or an 96-97 840Ci (M62).

That's what I was actually looking for when I stumbled into ZHP-land.... If my budget had be 25k, it would've been much easier to find one in the condition I was after.

[ryankokesh]

I just know I'm going to have a Jeep Wrangler phase at some point.

It's inevitable. Had one in ATL this week as a rental. Wrangler Unlimited Sport something or other.

BUT... I live in Indianapolis, and there really aren't any places to properly use a Wrangler.
So maybe I should buy some boulders to install in my driveway at some point.
Then I would have no choice but to get one?

I think Redbird and the Badlands parks are fairly close to you. Not right next door, but not far.

Know what you mean about the Jeep phase though. Got a Grand Cherokee this year this year that I immediately started beefing up, but still really want a JKU. If it wouldn't cost me a zillion dollars in gas to commute in, I'd definitely be looking for one!

[Simmsled]

I think Redbird and the Badlands parks are fairly close to you. Not right next door, but not far.

Know what you mean about the Jeep phase though. Got a Grand Cherokee this year this year that I immediately started beefing up, but still really want a JKU. If it wouldn't cost me a zillion dollars in gas to commute in, I'd definitely be looking for one!

You know... I'm going to look into those places. I work from home about 80% of the time, so gas wouldn't be too terrible.

[ryankokesh]

You know... I'm going to look into those places. I work from home about 80% of the time, so gas wouldn't be too terrible.

:hawaiian

[oldzilla]

I am in my want to buy a Jaguar phase, test drove several F Types, XKR, XJ.. I did enjoy the F Type.

[ELCID86]

Hmm...as the original post says a budget around $25k, I'd look into:

MkVII VW GTI w/ Performance Package
B7 A4 Avant w/ Titanium Package
Higher mileage E46 M3 or E39 M5
Higher mileage Cayman
Ford Fiesta/Focus ST
Some franken 330i Touring.

Or maybe something more vintage like:

Datsun 240Z
Classic Mini (1990s with fuel injection and disc brakes)
VW Westfalia and do the whole #VanLife thing
This M5 Touring (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-bmw-m5-touring/)
This E30 M3 with an S52 (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-bmw-m3-3/)
Land Rover Defender
An old Triumph or Alfa

Cayman!
Love that 5 Touring. GTI might be an option. Do they make the R32 in MT any more?


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[BMWCurves]

Cayman!
Love that 5 Touring. GTI might be an option. Do they make the R32 in MT any more?

The latest MkVII R definitely comes in a manual but I'm not sure what the MkVIII will have.

[nozhp4u]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/21/9f3749d2c4c131440c68d0c6e15f14bf.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/21/2c6ca3648dce9a0a56c6e275be68f86f.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/21/e31bc640d418a936c92be4c63f5455b1.jpg

I like driving these when not in my daily ZHP. The R32 and E46 M3 fit into the sub $25K criterion. Honestly the R32 is ridiculously fun to drive!


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[cakM3]

I would drive the R32 :thumbsup The exhaust note on this car sounds awesome as well :)

[Boca_RatonZHP]

My cousin is a bit of a maniac when it comes to BMW's. But he wanted to switch with me for the weekend so I get to drive his e39 wagon. He can't get enough of my ZHP wants to borrow it every time I'm in town.

This is one of the only things I would take of an e46 ZHP.

E39 540i Wagon DINAN everything on this car, and it's been converted to 6MT.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/21/d3fc0df9c21f0237197c9c3a5476c719.jpg

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[Fenrir]

I'd go back to Building VR4's if I wasn't in the ZHP. I've got my eyes set on owning an FD RX7 one day though. Sedan wise it'd be a G8 GXP. Those should both leave me within the budget.

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[ELCID86]

So why are R32s with MT so hard to find? Seems like most of them and a lot of GTIs are AT :-(


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[Pupil_Heads]

If not a ZHP?
I'd drive either a:
-EF/EG hatchback Civic
-EK Civic SIR sedan Philippine Market
-Ordinary E46 325i
-Mk1 Toyota MR2



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[alexandre]

So why are R32s with MT so hard to find? Seems like most of them and a lot of GTIs are AT :-(


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Pretty sure they were DSG only from MkV onwards. I might be wrong though.

[ELCID86]

Pretty sure they were DSG only from MkV onwards. I might be wrong though.

Shame. Maybe the Golf R would be a better choice as Bill eluded to.


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[illirep]

I believe the r32s did come with a manual option. Most golf R's I see on the market seem to have a manual.

Post Zhp, I have been switching between an e60 535xj and an e39 540i sport for daily driver duties. I do 120 miles a day, so I like to split that between two cars.

Potentially looking to replace both with the Golf R. I love the GTIs and even to a lesser degree, the Jetta GLI, but the front wheels drive and accompanying torque steer are hard to adjust to coming from mostly RWD and the occasional AWD....

Anyone here own a Golf R?

I'm close but still trying to get past the boy racer thing....

Other comparables are the evolution and wrx / sti. Very fun cars to drive, somewhat practical!


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[illirep]

Also forgot to mention that the $25k, super low mileage ZHP has caught my attention. But the reality is, that thing will still need a ton of preventative maintenance and I'd be putting several thousand more into it, which doesn't make much sense.


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[stephenkirsh]

Wait, what year golf Rs are we talking about here? I thought they didn't sell Rs in the U.S. After the r32. Or is that what we're talking about?

[05Imola]

They sold every generation R32 / R in the US. The mk5 R32 was DSG only in the US. The mk6 and mk7 Golf R both came with a manual option.

If I didn't have my ZHP it would be a toss up between a 225 Audi TT or a Saab 9-2x. I had a saabaru before and loved it.

[fredo]

I'm interested on a 2009-2011 335i or a 2012+ VW Jetta SE for my next car.

If I go the 335i route : paddle shifters, hifi sound system, navi, sports pack, and comfort access are a must.

[ELCID86]

Wait, what year golf Rs are we talking about here? I thought they didn't sell Rs in the U.S. After the r32. Or is that what we're talking about?

I was talking R32 but leaned from Bill there is a Golf R. And they ain't cheap.

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[ELCID86]

Dupe

[NoVAphotog]

I was talking R32 but leaned from Bill there is a Golf R. And they ain't cheap.

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Only thing that holds me back about Golf R is what Bill mentioned in his thread about the image...literally no one but enthusiasts would know it's any different from a Golf/GTI/etc. Which in many ways is a good thing as I'm all about that sleeper status...but...when you are paying 30k for a car...there are other options out there that don't have that issue.

[1 M Mike]

A MK V R32 is my DD.

Original owner of it for over 8 years and almost 88k miles and it's been virtually bulletproof. There were like 4 recalls early on in its life, but other than an issue with the wiring to the mass air flow sensor and the passenger side mirror glass falling out it's been problem free.

It would be better if it had a manual instead of the dual sequentials, but despite that "flaw" I'm still absolutely tickled and enamored of this vehicle. It steers and handles as well as any BMW I've ever owned. I first test drove a GTI with a stick and it was really very engaging and fun, but found the steering to be a downer (although better than the rubbish eps in BMW's, still too much slop in the rack for my liking). The R32 on the other hand is an absolute hooligan with razor sharp electro-mechanical steering rack (variable sport assist), great comportment and balance (surprising for something piggy) all the way to the limits. I also like the linear power delivery of the VR6, and when you spank it to WOT the exhaust sings an absolute Aria. 4Motion cuts up to 10 inches of fresh, un-plowed snow with verve and delight. So it's all in the eyes and the wallet of the beholder to determine whether those characteristics are worth the additional outlay.

A big benny is it definitely allows you to fly under the radar as I've never accumulated even a single MV infraction. :fingerscrossed

For the past 3 or 4 years I've kept my options open for potential replacements. The subsequent two R successor's are interesting, but their 4 banger stock exhaust sounds a bit milquetoast compared to MK IV and MK V and the car is paid for so unless it's an emergency I'll be pleased to drive the wheels off it before relinquishing the keys.

[BMWCurves]

Only thing that holds me back about Golf R is what Bill mentioned in his thread about the image...literally no one but enthusiasts would know it's any different from a Golf/GTI/etc. Which in many ways is a good thing as I'm all about that sleeper status...but...when you are paying 30k for a car...there are other options out there that don't have that issue.

I don't see it as an issue, just a design consideration. I like the understated looks, but for some it's too subtle. It's got bigger wheels, big exhausts, in short it looks a little more sporty. I like it.

The problem I have with previous versions of the Golf R is a supposedly non-defeatable traction control system. The newest one, the Mk7, you can fully defeat the TC, but it costs around $40k new which seems a bit high for a hatchback. I'd love to have one, I think the Mk7 Golf platform is awesome. My only other gripe with the car is the direct injection turbo 4-cylinder engine. All of these turbo'd direct injection engines have carbon buildup issues unless they have port injection as well to clean the valves.

[ELCID86]

A MK V R32 is my DD.

Original owner of it for over 8 years and almost 88k miles and it's been virtually bulletproof. There were like 4 recalls early on in its life, but other than an issue with the wiring to the mass air flow sensor and the passenger side mirror glass falling out it's been problem free.

It would be better if it had a manual instead of the dual sequentials, but despite that "flaw" I'm still absolutely tickled and enamored of this vehicle. It steers and handles as well as any BMW I've ever owned. I first test drove a GTI with a stick and it was really very engaging and fun, but found the steering to be a downer (although better than the rubbish eps in BMW's, still too much slop in the rack for my liking). The R32 on the other hand is an absolute hooligan with razor sharp electro-mechanical steering rack (variable sport assist), great comportment and balance (surprising for something piggy) all the way to the limits. I also like the linear power delivery of the VR6, and when you spank it to WOT the exhaust sings an absolute Aria. 4Motion cuts up to 10 inches of fresh, un-plowed snow with verve and delight. So it's all in the eyes and the wallet of the beholder to determine whether those characteristics are worth the additional outlay.

A big benny is it definitely allows you to fly under the radar as I've never accumulated even a single MV infraction. :fingerscrossed

For the past 3 or 4 years I've kept my options open for potential replacements. The subsequent two R successor's are interesting, but their 4 banger stock exhaust sounds a bit milquetoast compared to MK IV and MK V and the car is paid for so unless it's an emergency I'll be pleased to drive the wheels off it before relinquishing the keys.

Thanks for the feedback Mike!
Love those wheels.

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[illirep]

That is a beautiful car!


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[330i Lover]

A MK V R32 is my DD.

Original owner of it for over 8 years and almost 88k miles and it's been virtually bulletproof. There were like 4 recalls early on in its life, but other than an issue with the wiring to the mass air flow sensor and the passenger side mirror glass falling out it's been problem free.

It would be better if it had a manual instead of the dual sequentials, but despite that "flaw" I'm still absolutely tickled and enamored of this vehicle. It steers and handles as well as any BMW I've ever owned. I first test drove a GTI with a stick and it was really very engaging and fun, but found the steering to be a downer (although better than the rubbish eps in BMW's, still too much slop in the rack for my liking). The R32 on the other hand is an absolute hooligan with razor sharp electro-mechanical steering rack (variable sport assist), great comportment and balance (surprising for something piggy) all the way to the limits. I also like the linear power delivery of the VR6, and when you spank it to WOT the exhaust sings an absolute Aria. 4Motion cuts up to 10 inches of fresh, un-plowed snow with verve and delight. So it's all in the eyes and the wallet of the beholder to determine whether those characteristics are worth the additional outlay.

A big benny is it definitely allows you to fly under the radar as I've never accumulated even a single MV infraction. :fingerscrossed

For the past 3 or 4 years I've kept my options open for potential replacements. The subsequent two R successor's are interesting, but their 4 banger stock exhaust sounds a bit milquetoast compared to MK IV and MK V and the car is paid for so unless it's an emergency I'll be pleased to drive the wheels off it before relinquishing the keys.
Beautiful!

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[330i Lover]

I would do an e39, 6 spd with lowest miles I could find.

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[toddness]

I can't stand the idea of just one to drive. I have a tough time picking which one to drive some days, though the type of drive often dictates which vehicle I take. I love the zhp for the nimble refined comfortable ride if it's me alone or with a passenger and no encumbrances (cuz coupe) and I typically won't drive it in SF cuz sinkholes. The e39 m5 is just the awesome highway monster. the e28 535is is to an e28 m5 like the zhp to and m3 in many ways, and I probably say this only because I can't justify an e28 m5 (yet?), though she's tired and headed for a rebuild (or swap?); the e28 is a refined (for the era) comfortable cruiser. The x3 is very much like the zhp in urban assault mode and used for city / mountain treks - I'd probably keep it over the ZHP cuz four doors awd and still 6mt. the 2002 is more like a go-kart today but so much fun and timeless. But i think if I had to pick one to drive for $25K and no snow/mountains involved, it's the e12. Ballsy not unlike the M5 in many ways, though so light and nimble in comparison. I am so surprised these aren't appreciated more. I could do a lot with 25K less the cost of a dry e12 shell that's still fairly easily to locate at under 4K.

[ELCID86]

What are your thoughts on a 135i? Rob or Kpro??


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[illirep]

We had a 135i soft too before kids. That thing was a blast, even with slushbox. Haven't really gotten cheap enough to re engage my interest yet.


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[ELCID86]

We had a 135i soft too before kids. That thing was a blast, even with slushbox. Haven't really gotten cheap enough to re engage my interest yet.


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How's the back seat legroom for an adult?


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[illirep]

Non existent lol


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[az3579]

How's the back seat legroom for an adult?


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Legroom? lol
The legroom isn't even acceptable in a standard coupe, unfortunately.

[ELCID86]

Legroom? lol
The legroom isn't even acceptable in a standard coupe, unfortunately.

Agreed. That's why Colin got rid of his Ci.
I've seen a few ppl say its wasn't too bad though.


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[UdubBadger]

Well since I don't I guess my answer is an e46 M3???

If it's a wish list:

Porsche 911
Porsche Cayman S

That's a stretch if money isn't any object, wouldn't be able to afford even a 997.1 or 986 of those models.

If I was on the same budget I am now (or close) in order:

Audi TTRS
Audi S4
BMW 135i
Audi SQ5
A really clean, low mile, e36 M3 manual trans sedan with dove grey interior.


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My new answer is 997.2 C4S which I will likely hold out for as the next ride in a few years when it's time to retire the M3s


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[ryankokesh]

Very nice!


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[BMWCurves]

I'd probably go for this RS4 if it stayed around its current bid price (I can dream, can't I?!):

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-audi-rs4/

[Pip]

I'd probably go for this RS4 if it stayed around its current bid price (I can dream, can't I?!):

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-audi-rs4/
Love those cars. They are still lots of money though.

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[illirep]

That is very nice. I think that will go for over $30k though.


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[mko9]

The only reason I have a 330i was because I needed a sedan for a baby seat. The e46 M3 doesn't come in a sedan, so a 330i was as good as it got. If I could do a straight swap, I would get an e90 series M3 sedan. Currently, I have an F10 535i because my car seat requirement eventually went up to three. The F10 drives like shit compared to an e46, so if I could swing it I would go for an e39 M5. I just don't think there is physically any way to cram three car seats in the back.

[[USMC]Skywalker]

e90 330i, its a very underrated car. I have one as a DD (6MT). Amazingly smooth, no turbo issues, stock 255hp and 5.6sec 0-60 (according to car and driver). Doesnt have the same raw feel of a ZHP but very civilized for daily driving.

[UdubBadger]

That's a great NA motor for sure.


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[330i Lover]

Skywalker;460737']e90 330i, its a very underrated car. I have one as a DD (6MT). Amazingly smooth, no turbo issues, stock 255hp and 5.6sec 0-60 (according to car and driver). Doesnt have the same raw feel of a ZHP but very civilized for daily driving.
I considered the e90 sedan 330i but I always preferred the e46 style vs e90 plus I was a bit concerned about why bmw would make a e90 330i for only 1 year. In my mind if they engineered an amazing car then they would have kept the 330i in the e90 lineup until 2012 like the rest of the e90's. Granted the e90 330i had 20 more horses than the ZHP but it's also heavier, more expensive and arguably harder to find since very few were made.

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[NoVAphotog]

E9x 335d M-sport. Casually look around from time to time, prices are right around clean E46 M3 territory so that is up there as well, but probably will end up in a 335d because torque. FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE LB/FT. :eyetwitch :drool

[[USMC]Skywalker]

I considered the e90 sedan 330i but I always preferred the e46 style vs e90 plus I was a bit concerned about why bmw would make a e90 330i for only 1 year. In my mind if they engineered an amazing car then they would have kept the 330i in the e90 lineup until 2012 like the rest of the e90's. Granted the e90 330i had 20 more horses than the ZHP but it's also heavier, more expensive and arguably harder to find since very few were made.

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330i was sold in the US for one year but in Europe it was sold from 2005 to 2007. The N52 engine was already available at the time of e90 330i production. Every time BMW launches a new generation the first and sometimes second year of production usually have different engines, this was the case with e46, e90,and F30. I think BMW made the chassis but the twin turbo engine was probably still under development and since N52 was already available BMW probably used it. Like i said I have one as my DD and its a very smooth car. My cousin has a 335i and had to replace the HPFP and the car over heated as well. 335i is great but too many issues plus I am a huge fan of NA engine so I am a little biased.

[[USMC]Skywalker]

E9x 335d M-sport. Casually look around from time to time, prices are right around clean E46 M3 territory so that is up there as well, but probably will end up in a 335d because torque. FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE LB/FT. :eyetwitch :drool

335d has insane torque like you said, wonder why diesel models are not as popular in the US as it is in Europe

[fredo]

I owned an e90 330i from 2010 to 2015. Really good car, but feels a little heavy (like mentioned above).

[NoVAphotog]

Skywalker;461201']335d has insane torque like you said, wonder why diesel models are not as popular in the US as it is in Europe
Well a big kicker for that particular car is the lack of a manual option.

And the recent vw stuff ain't helping diesel.

[Jon D]

If I was limited to 25K I'd look for the right Boxster S.. You can find decent ones at that price point or close.

[Simmsled]

For some silly reason I have found myself attracted to early 2000's Nissan Xterras in yellow.
3 to 6k on CL. Might be a solid winter beater.

[Vas]

I had the desire to find an e36 m3 sedan lately.

[UdubBadger]

Skywalker;461201']335d has insane torque like you said, wonder why diesel models are not as popular in the US as it is in Europe

They all die at 80k miles because of massive design/engineering flaws per many forum users who own them.


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[UdubBadger]

For some silly reason I have found myself attracted to early 2000's Nissan Xterras in yellow.
3 to 6k on CL. Might be a solid winter beater.

Gotta get the SC version too. I preferred the dark green or blue.


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[UdubBadger]

I had the desire to find an e36 m3 sedan lately.

Hell yeah.
So nice if clean and done right. Can make a damn fine DD as well.


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[UdubBadger]

If I was going to look at another daily id be snagging a 91-92 Range Rover. They're hella cool retro looking and bulletproof (despite the newer ones being lift queens in for service).


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[Pip]

If I was going to look at another daily id be snagging a 91-92 Range Rover. They're hella cool retro looking and bulletproof (despite the newer ones being lift queens in for service).


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Love the rovers. Thinking of making our '06 sport into a overland vehicle once it is removed from the wife's daily.

[UdubBadger]

Niiiiice


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[Vas]

Hell yeah.
So nice if clean and done right. Can make a damn fine DD as well.


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Yeah that's the idea. It's more raw while the zhp is more refined

Probable is finding one that has not been raped and is not a silver color.

[jiggz]

An F30?

I just spent 2 full weeks in a 2016 (LCI) 328i xDrive and I'm sold. I never liked the F30's much, even having had them as service loaners in the past. This LCI model loaded up…I could own it no problem. Engine/exhaust note is wimpy (as expected from a 4 cylinder), but it's still a better performer than my ZHP (255 lb/ft of TQ at 1250 RPM's - my ZHP felt gutless when I got back into it :( ). Such a better ride, options galore (HUD, heated steering wheel and rear seats, back up camera, etc.), more room, more tech, LED lighting everywhere, seats just kill the E46 seats…getting back into the E46, the 2 generation gap was more evident than ever :(

We take my wife's X5 everywhere so my ZHP barely gets driven, but even so, after DD'ing an E46 since 2003…guys I think I'm ready to move on? I dunno…

[3ZHPGUY]

An F30?

I just spent 2 full weeks in a 2016 (LCI) 328i xDrive and I'm sold. I never liked the F30's much, even having had them as service loaners in the past. This LCI model loaded up…I could own it no problem. Engine/exhaust note is wimpy (as expected from a 4 cylinder), but it's still a better performer than my ZHP (255 lb/ft of TQ at 1250 RPM's - my ZHP felt gutless when I got back into it :( ). Such a better ride, options galore (HUD, heated steering wheel and rear seats, back up camera, etc.), more room, more tech, LED lighting everywhere, seats just kill the E46 seats…getting back into the E46, the 2 generation gap was more evident than ever :(

We take my wife's X5 everywhere so my ZHP barely gets driven, but even so, after DD'ing an E46 since 2003…guys I think I'm ready to move on? I dunno…

My wife has that car but, not the XDrive and I still prefer my ZHP.

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss351/3zhpguy/BMW/2014_328I/20140608_328I_1st_Photo-Run_0010.jpg (http://s591.photobucket.com/user/3zhpguy/media/BMW/2014_328I/20140608_328I_1st_Photo-Run_0010.jpg.html)


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[BMWCurves]

Sounds like you're ready to make the leap to something more modern and comfortable. There's nothing wrong with that, tastes and priorities change.

Personally, I've had pretty lukewarm feelings toward the F3X (and modern BMWs in general). I think the F3X generation looks better than the non-M E9X, but otherwise doesn't do a whole lot for me. The interior's build quality feels inferior to current equivalent Mercedes and Audis I've sat in. I've driven a few loaners with the the turbo-4 and although it's quick and has mounds more torque down low, to quote James May, it "doesn't give me that fizzing sensation." Oddly, I didn't manage much better fuel economy than my ZHP either. In steady state on the highway I could do better than my car, but around town I was ≤20 mpg, and I wasn't doing anything like zooming from one light to the next. I was also struck by how isolated the driving experience felt, from the electric steering to its dynamics. I do agree that the technology goodies are something I'd like to have, especially things like the HUD, heated steering wheel, and Comfort Access, but they aren't anything I need. The F3X does have more room than the E46 but that's a result of it being a bigger car (half a foot longer, 2.8 inches wider, and a 3.3 inch longer wheelbase). The current 2-Series is much closer to the E46 in terms of dimensions.

Hopefully the LCI will address some of those things like the (personally) underwhelming interior and improve the feel of their electric steering. Then again, for a grand or two short of $60k fully loaded, a new 328i LCI better show some improvements. Don't listen to me gripe about modern BMWs though. I'm still in love with the version of BMW that created the E46 and E39, the version that hasn't existed for over a decade and has given no indication that it is coming back.

[fredo]

BMWcurves, I believe the LCI upgrades are mostly on the exterior. An exception was the NAV upgrade on the LCI e90 model. But there's always hope for the f30.

[illirep]

BMWcurves, I believe the LCI upgrades are mostly on the exterior. An exception was the NAV upgrade on the LCI e90 model. But there's always hope for the f30.

I read a review about f30 LCI and apparently they programmed the numb feeling out of the steering.


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[NoVAphotog]

I read a review about f30 LCI and apparently they "programmed" the numb feeling out of the steering.


Sorry, but isn't that an oxymoron?

[BimmerDude]

Ive been giving some serious thought to a e39 touring (mtech of course) something about that shape just gets me every time2299222993

[slater]

Ive been giving some serious thought to a e39 touring (mtech of course) something about that shape just gets me every time22993

yeah, the proportions are excellent on these cars. i've been wanting one too!

[330i Lover]

Good luck finding one.

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[BimmerDude]

Good luck finding one.

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Seriously... but they pop up from time to time in houston. There was a 2000 528it Mtech in Swartz/tan combo. (even style 5s) for 4900$
Im just not ready to give up the zhp. Dangit.. why didnt they just make a e46 zhp touring:mad

[330i Lover]

Seriously... but they pop up from time to time in houston. There was a 2000 528it Mtech in Swartz/tan combo. (even style 5s) for 4900$
Im just not ready to give up the zhp. Dangit.. why didnt they just make a e46 zhp touring:mad

Tell me about it. When deciding whether or not to get the ZHP I had to get something with 4 doors. If they made the m3 w/4 doors I would have been all over it. When I win the lottery I think it would be crazy sexy to put the s54 in my Imola with the rear bumper & quad-exhaust. I looked at the e90 335i but to find them in a stick with the miles/options I wanted < $15k wasn't possible. And if I did pull the trigger on the e90 I may have missed out on the ZHP experience.

[Vas]

Tell me about it. When deciding whether or not to get the ZHP I had to get something with 4 doors. If they made the m3 w/4 doors I would have been all over it. When I win the lottery I think it would be crazy sexy to put the s54 in my Imola with the rear bumper & quad-exhaust. I looked at the e90 335i but to find them in a stick with the miles/options I wanted < $15k wasn't possible. And if I did pull the trigger on the e90 I may have missed out on the ZHP experience.

And being part of the Imola illiest

[NoVAphotog]

Tell me about it. When deciding whether or not to get the ZHP I had to get something with 4 doors. If they made the m3 w/4 doors I would have been all over it. When I win the lottery I think it would be crazy sexy to put the s54 in my Imola with the rear bumper & quad-exhaust. I looked at the e90 335i but to find them in a stick with the miles/options I wanted < $15k wasn't possible. And if I did pull the trigger on the e90 I may have missed out on the ZHP experience.

I like to imagine there is an alternate universe where Hans in Accounting ran some different numbers and realized it did make sense to put two more doors on and fabricate some more M body panels...

[BimmerDude]

since we are dreaming here 2299422995

[illirep]

Sorry, but isn't that an oxymoron?
ha, didn't think about it that way. I guess it is!


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[NoVAphotog]

since we are dreaming here 2299422995

Ahh...that thread reads like a fantasy novela for me...The only way it could get better is be facelifted...which is yet another armchair nitpick on why the M3 was never facelifted...would look a million times better.

[330i Lover]

since we are dreaming here 2299422995
Thank you, BimmerDude, for allowing my eyes to see my dreams in front of me. Now I need a napkin for this druel.

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[BMWCurves]

since we are dreaming here 2299422995

God dammit. Here I was, thinking I was going to be a productive member of society today. Instead I'm going down that project thread rabbit hole...

For those interested: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=578901

[BMWCurves]

Seriously... but they pop up from time to time in houston. There was a 2000 528it Mtech in Swartz/tan combo. (even style 5s) for 4900$
Im just not ready to give up the zhp. Dangit.. why didnt they just make a e46 zhp touring:mad

Here you go: http://bringatrailer.com/2015/12/09/full-m5-swap-2001-bmw-540i-touring/

[danewilson77]

http://bringatrailer.com/2013/04/16/seller-submission-m5-converted-1993-bmw-525i-touring/

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[Ssparrow]

Since we are on the topic of mythical cars and wagons....

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/14/8401d1df9dab6c2dbac2b60327604c06.jpg

[illirep]

Doesn't Stu have an s54 equipped 325it?


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[NoVAphotog]

Doesn't Stu have an s54 equipped 325it?


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TS3 Supercharged M54B30 IIRC :thumbsup

[FungShui]

Recently,I have been very tempted to sell the ZHP to purchase 09+ Cayman S because the R is no where near the 15k premium. Since I recently purchased a house, I axe the idea and decided to keep the ZHP because it is still a very fun car. Also now that i have a garage, I can learn how to work on my car. =)

[UdubBadger]

Cayman S is tons of fun.


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[BimmerDude]

Agreed, i'll prolly sell my M3 for one at some point

[Sockethead]

Doesn't Stu have an s54 equipped 325it?


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TS3 Supercharged M54B30 IIRC :thumbsup

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/23/b16cfe1d73330a10ef9cde5d2b2d7464.jpg

[Pip]

^my favorite wagon in existence.

[illirep]

Nice. Which motor is in that bad boy?


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[Sockethead]

I believe it's from his old ZHP. It's built with low compression Pistons, etc to handle the extra boost

[Simmsled]

I just drove an X4 MSport without dynamic suspension.
Felt too "luxury" and not enough MSport.

Realized I could get a luggage box for the roof rack, and now I don't "need" an SUV!

But for some irrational reason, I secretly still like the X4.

[BMWCurves]

I just drove an X4 MSport without dynamic suspension.
Felt too "luxury" and not enough MSport.

Realized I could get a luggage box for the roof rack, and now I don't "need" an SUV!

But for some irrational reason, I secretly still like the X4.

I find that about a lot of modern German SUVs. I enjoy the ride a lot along with the creature comforts and just the modern "feel" of them. It's quite pleasant. I know that the holiday romance wouldn't last though.

[Sockethead]

Our X5 4.8is was probably our favorite BMW over the ZHP, 135, F30 and even the X1 M sport. So much performance and luxury and it was a e53 so it still had more of a raw feeling to it.
Too bad it was so expensive to maintain...

[Johnmadd]

E30 :shifty

[NYRhockey]

Volvo S40 T5 R-design

Love the way they look and being Scandi they're probably boss in the snow (the AWD version).

[BMWCurves]

Volvo S40 T5 R-design

Love the way they look and being Scandi they're probably boss in the snow (the AWD version).

While it's not the R-Design, my mother drives a 2007 S40 T5 AWD with a 6MT. It's a great little car. It feels like it has more torque than it is said to have and it certainly has ample grunt down low. I love the unique sound of an inline 5 turbo (reminds me of my C4 S4 I5). It seats four comfortably. It's a great snow car and I it's a hoot to toss around in fresh snow on some snow tires.

With every car there are some downsides: small trunk. The AWD system is really FWD until the car senses it's slipping but that doesn't really affect its performance. Fuel economy is less than expected. The R-Design though looks awesome. Was it available in a manual?

[NYRhockey]

Yes, a 6sp manual was available in the R-design but there are not easy to find for sale these days. I think some day i will get myself one to share duties with the zhp.

[Simmsled]

I find that about a lot of modern German SUVs. I enjoy the ride a lot along with the creature comforts and just the modern "feel" of them. It's quite pleasant. I know that the holiday romance wouldn't last though.

Indeed.
Just went on a ~350 mile holiday trip to Southern Indiana in the ZHP.
Going quickly thru sections that have bridges... the quick transition either felt like I was flying or hitting a dip on a roller coaster.
My Lexus GS took those and didn't care. SO... there is something to be said about the extra travel in the SUV suspensions on faster interstate roads with less than stellar elevation continuity. Lol
But on those curves... joy.

I have found that there is this 'rare air' where fun/comfortable people movers exist. There are very few.
The Xx BMWs are there. Porsche SUVs are there... even the Touareg. But not much else.

A shame, really. BUT, not many people would likely pay for a Honda Odyssey Si. Lol

[Sockethead]

A shame, really. BUT, not many people would likely pay for a Honda Odyssey Si. Lol
My wife want's get an Odyssey and do a 6 sp manual conversation and a lowering kit.
I'm like, umm no...

[Johnmadd]

My wife want's get an Odyssey and do a 6 sp manual conversation and a lowering kit.
I'm like, umm no...

Ha, sounds like a great idea!

[illirep]

That would be a funny project


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[az3579]

My wife want's get an Odyssey and do a 6 sp manual conversation and a lowering kit.
I'm like, umm no...

She needs to snap out of it!

[ELCID86]

She needs to snap out of it!

LOL.


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46f member

[Au1994]

I just drove an X4 MSport without dynamic suspension.
Felt too "luxury" and not enough MSport.

Realized I could get a luggage box for the roof rack, and now I don't "need" an SUV!

But for some irrational reason, I secretly still like the X4.

I loved the X4 as well. Drove a couple in 28i trim but due to a bad dealership experience never pulled the trigger in the summer. I actually told the dealer "I've never tried so hard to give someone my money" during the comedy of errors attempt at a purchase. Fast forward to the 29th of last year...we found an X6 in a color combination the fiancé loved and a dealer willing to get super aggressive at the end of the year and lo and behold, purchase made! She had always preferred the larger size of the X6 and it probably fits us better at this stage. Very little compromise with this car over the 335i it replaced. The larger size more than makes up for it and the added luxury is awesome. Rides great on the highway but still very nimble in the twisties.

[ryankokesh]

My wife want's get an Odyssey and do a 6 sp manual conversation and a lowering kit.
I'm like, umm no...

:rofl


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[ryankokesh]

So. Any ideas for something that's cheap, has relatively modern safety stuff, 40+ mpg, and not RWD? Having trouble checking all those boxes and being even a little excited about the result. :dunno


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[NoVAphotog]

So. Any ideas for something that's cheap, has relatively modern safety stuff, 40+ mpg, and not RWD? Having trouble checking all those boxes and being even a little excited about the result. :dunno


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Older Jetta TDI's? Shit ton of torque, not expensive, bulletproof ENGINES, rest of the car...ehh...

[ryankokesh]

Older Jetta TDI's? Shit ton of torque, not expensive, bulletproof ENGINES, rest of the car...ehh...

Lol, that's not a bad idea... Like a mk5?


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[NoVAphotog]

Lol, that's not a bad idea... Like a mk5?


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Yeah, I test drove one a long time ago before I got the Mazdaspeed3 I had before the ZHP.

Loved it. Radio knob fell off during the test drive though...so much torque! Got me reading threads on hypermiling...I think a couple in one of these set the record or something...77mpg's... :jawdrop :dunno

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2006-volkswagen-jetta-tdi-short-take-road-test

[NoVAphotog]

I don't know the "Marks" as well as I do the Exx/Fxx...but any of them would work...the Jettas are definitely easier to find and cheaper than the Golf TDI's.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/161935247610?item=161935247610&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&rmvSB=true

[Simmsled]

I loved the X4 as well. Drove a couple in 28i trim but due to a bad dealership experience never pulled the trigger in the summer. I actually told the dealer "I've never tried so hard to give someone my money" during the comedy of errors attempt at a purchase. Fast forward to the 29th of last year...we found an X6 in a color combination the fiancé loved and a dealer willing to get super aggressive at the end of the year and lo and behold, purchase made! She had always preferred the larger size of the X6 and it probably fits us better at this stage. Very little compromise with this car over the 335i it replaced. The larger size more than makes up for it and the added luxury is awesome. Rides great on the highway but still very nimble in the twisties.

Nice. The X6 didn't seem as nimble as X4, but I would have entertained the thought for the extra space for kid/wife stuff.
I'm drawn to both of them for silly reasons I don't understand.
If I won the lottery, an X6M would probably be my daily driver for Tuesday's... maybe Wednesday's as it kinda looks like a hump. Lol

[ecyrb]

335iS 6mt (recent purchase)

[Sockethead]

We love our X1 3.5 M Sport. It's fast and handles like a BMW should but it's so small.
Our double stroller for the twins barely fits in the back. And we have to completely remove the cargo cover to get it to fit. It really doesn't have any more room than the ZHP

[NoVAphotog]

We love our X1 3.5 M Sport. It's fast and handles like a BMW should but it's so small.
Our double stroller for the twins barely fits in the back. And we have to completely remove the cargo cover to get it to fit. It really doesn't have any more room than the ZHP

Loved driving it last summer. Definitely agree that it feels great compared to some of the other newer bimmers I've driven.

[Sockethead]

Unfortunately, 2015 was the end of the X1 on the e9x platform with hydraulic steering, etc . Not sure what they are using now... Performance wise, it would be awesome with the turbo 6 and 8 speed auto...

[jhemmer01]

I love the air-cooled 911s, so I'd have to say a cabrio 911. Ideally an '87 or '88.


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[330i Lover]

God dammit. Here I was, thinking I was going to be a productive member of society today. Instead I'm going down that project thread rabbit hole...

For those interested: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=578901

Astonishing, I want to read every page but there's nearly 90 of them.....and it's already late. :(

[BMWCurves]

It's worth the read. So good looking and well executed.