so close... VIN decoder says no.

[slater]

http://www.donvalleynorthtoyota.com//preowned_vehicles/2003/BMW_3_Series/19202461

i ran the VIN through the VIN decoder at bmwarchive.org, no S767A. weird, seems to have everything but! can't tell whether it's a 6MT or not.

peter

[wsmeyer]

It's a 6MT but it's not a ZHP

[ELCID86]

My bet is that it is a ZHP. White needle mod? WHat do others think?
WBAEV53443KM03682

Hmm, vin decode:
S338A M SPORTPAKET II M Sports package II
S710A M LEDERLENKRAD M sports steering wheel, multifunction
S716A M AERODYNAMIKPAKET II Aerodynamics package

[slater]

My bet is that it is a ZHP. White needle mod? WHat do others think?
WBAEV53443KM03682

Hmm, vin decode:
S338A M SPORTPAKET II M Sports package II
S710A M LEDERLENKRAD M sports steering wheel, multifunction
S716A M AERODYNAMIKPAKET II Aerodynamics package

canadian cars got the white needles and 6500RPM redline on tach.

peter

[fredo]

I say it's not a ZHP, just by the white needles. Man ... 235,000 miles.

[wsmeyer]

My bet is that it is a ZHP. White needle mod? WHat do others think?
WBAEV53443KM03682

Hmm, vin decode:
S338A M SPORTPAKET II M Sports package II
S710A M LEDERLENKRAD M sports steering wheel, multifunction
S716A M AERODYNAMIKPAKET II Aerodynamics package

I think even though it says USA Market it's actually a Canadian car:

S548A Kilometertacho Kilometer-calibrated speedometer
L838A Länderausführung Kanada NATIONAL VERSION CANADA


This explains the wheels:

S788A
BMW LM Rad Individual BMW LA wheel, Individual

[slater]

I say it's not a ZHP, just by the white needles. Man ... 235,000 miles.

canadian cars got the white needles (i just posted that above. :) ). 235K km's = 145K miles.

[slater]

It's a 6MT but it's not a ZHP

just confirmed with the sales guy that it's a 6MT.

i thought 330's didn't get a 6MT standard until 2004?

peter

[ELCID86]

All ZHPs had 6MT. Well, not the AT ones.

[slater]

yes i know, but the regular 2003 non-ZHP 330's got a 5-speed, if i remember correctly. didn't think it was an option in 2003 unless you ordered the ZHP package.

EDIT: just found this (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_3_Series_(E46)#Mid-year_2003_.283.2F03.29): apparently in 3/2003 all 330's got 6MT as standard - and the build date for this car is march 6, 2003. so that answers that.

i might go check it out. does the VIN decoder ever lie?

peter

[yura]

My bet is that it is a ZHP. White needle mod? WHat do others think?
WBAEV53443KM03682

Hmm, vin decode:
S338A M SPORTPAKET II M Sports package II
S710A M LEDERLENKRAD M sports steering wheel, multifunction
S716A M AERODYNAMIKPAKET II Aerodynamics package

This car is a Canadian M-Sport, not ZHP or ZAM (Canadian equivalent). I had a Canadian ZAM and the spec sheet definitely had the 767 option code in place of the M-Sport.

[ELCID86]

I suspect Canada car. Is the bumper messed up or just the kidney missing?

[slater]

I suspect Canada car. Is the bumper messed up or just the kidney missing?

looks like just the kidney is missing. yes, it's a canadian car, in toronto.

peter

[Newjack]

This car is a Canadian M-Sport, not ZHP or ZAM (Canadian equivalent). I had a Canadian ZAM and the spec sheet definitely had the 767 option code in place of the M-Sport.

M-Sport just like kerunt said. It has a lot of the ZHP options on it (The cube trim for example) but it's not a ZHP.

Sweet stick shift.

[slater]

This car is a Canadian M-Sport, not ZHP or ZAM (Canadian equivalent). I had a Canadian ZAM and the spec sheet definitely had the 767 option code in place of the M-Sport.

yep, agreed. my '05 ZHP coupe VIN decode lists the S767A (ZAM).

curious why anyone would order all of the options BUT the ZAM option pack - although, in canada ZAM was $6900! (US was $3900 according to the FAQ).

peter

[slater]

Sweet stick shift.

HA! yeah. gotta love it.

[cakM3]

Another thing to check is the tach....this one has a 6500 RPM red line. ZHPs have a 6800 RPM red line.

Here's a closer pic of the tach on this car...
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/macdctr/ScreenShot2014-02-18at60433PM_zpsf4589206.png

seems to match this tach pictured below...
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/macdctr/instrumentclusterwhite_zps57a2cdf6.jpg

and here's the ZHP tach...
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/macdctr/instrumentclusterred_zps735888b0.jpg


based on this my assessment is not ZHP...

[wsmeyer]

Also different gauge underneath tach and that's not a ZHP wheel.

[yura]

Another thing to check is the tach....this one has a 6500 RPM red line. ZHPs have a 6800 RPM red line.

Not in Canada. The Canadian version never got the 'updated' guage cluster, despite the car still revving to 6800RPM. We also retained the option to have manual seats, whereas the US ZHPs had to have powered seats.

[ELCID86]

Not in Canada. The Canadian version never got the 'updated' guage cluster, despite the car still revving to 6800RPM. We also retained the option to have manual seats, whereas the US ZHPs had to have powered seats.
These uppity Canucks...Thinking they know everything (lol!) Seriously though, thanks for the info. It's really cool to learn the differences.

[cakM3]

Not in Canada. The Canadian version never got the 'updated' guage cluster, despite the car still revving to 6800RPM. We also retained the option to have manual seats, whereas the US ZHPs had to have powered seats.

You learn something new every day :)

[Newjack]

Not in Canada. The Canadian version never got the 'updated' guage cluster, despite the car still revving to 6800RPM. We also retained the option to have manual seats, whereas the US ZHPs had to have powered seats.

Did the M-Sport really rev to 6800? I could have sworn the M-Sport did not get the upgraded cams.

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[Avetiso]

Did the M-Sport really rev to 6800? I could have sworn the M-Sport did not get the upgraded cams.

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It did not. That would be ZAM. That's why it's confusing. There are two cars in Canada that look extremely similar to our ZHP.

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[Newjack]

It did not. That would be ZAM. That's why it's confusing. There are two cars in Canada that look extremely similar to our ZHP.

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Oh ok.

Brb brain is melting.

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[yura]

Brb brain is melting.

The reason all this flies in Canada is because we have enough snow to bring down our brain temps to normal operating levels.

[slater]

The reason all this flies in Canada is because we have enough snow to bring down our brain temps to normal operating levels.

...which is why i'm going to have a look at this car tomorrow. :) just going to peek in the right tailpipe for flap presence... if none then i will test drive. :)

but the lack of S767A option makes me think it's not a ZHP.

peter

[Avetiso]

...which is why i'm going to have a look at this car tomorrow. :) just going to peek in the right tailpipe for flap presence... if none then i will test drive. :)

but the lack of S787A option makes me think it's not a ZHP.

peter
I thought ZHP was 767? Maybe I'm mixing up a number...

[yura]

I thought ZHP was 767? Maybe I'm mixing up a number...

It is, I think he made a typo.

[alexandre]

Buy it and transplant your cams and DME :shifty

[alexandre]

Oh ok.

Brb brain is melting.

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There's M-Sport, which is the US ZHP without cams, software, or cluster.

M-Performance, which is the US ZHP without cluster
commonly referred to as ZAM.

And all the rest.

We have a weird BMW line-up from euro and american cars. E46 320i's are everywhere, M-Sport is basically the UK Clubsport, IIRC our E36 M3's were euro spec, etc...

[slater]

I thought ZHP was 767? Maybe I'm mixing up a number...

you're right, it's 767. typo.

[slater]

We have a weird BMW line-up from euro and american cars. E46 320i's are everywhere, M-Sport is basically the UK Clubsport, IIRC our E36 M3's were euro spec, etc...

the initial E36 M3's were euro spec ('94-'95), the rest were same as the US.

however, we are now eligible to import E36 M3 Evo's from UK/europe... 321hp, 6MT, LSD... sounds good!

peter

[slater]

Buy it and transplant your cams and DME :shifty

well, i think they're high on the price. it would make a nice DD, but it does look a bit neglected.

peter

[terraphantm]

Buy it and transplant your cams and DME :shifty

Don't even need to transplant the DME. Just reflash it with the ZHP software number

[slater]

Don't even need to transplant the DME. Just reflash it with the ZHP software number

how easy is that?

plus, it wouldn't have the ZHP exhaust system either.

peter

[orange260z]

I don't know that the ZHP exhaust was actually any freer-flowing. I believe all 330s have a "sport" exhaust.

[slater]

FYI, i checked out this car today. was quite rusty, interior was dirty (as evident by the pics), and a CEL. otherwise not bad. but the rust is a deal-breaker for me.... if there is rust bubbling in the paintwork, imagine what there is that you can't see! ack. didn't even pop the hood. but i did drive it to see if a 330i M-Sport would do it for me, aside from a ZHP sedan - and i think it would, although i like the ZHP exhaust note better.

peter