peter's Touring project

[FL116]

haha. maybe i'll finish the Touring and sell it to you! :)

i go back and forth daily on whether to keep the sedan or the Touring. they each have their own attributes that i like. i need to wait until i finish the Touring to decide. it's going to be tough.

Hi Peter. Just keep me in mind when you think about selling lol I love this car.

[slater]

found this image. it is seriously messing with me right now... the proportions just look perfect.

crap.

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[az3579]

found this image. it is seriously messing with me right now... the proportions just look perfect.

crap.



And now you know what direction you must ​pursue. :)

[704sw]

Dude, you have to.

Semi-related: for some reason it's always bugged me how M3 mirrors don't have black trim-matched bases like ours do.


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[cakM3]

found this image. it is seriously messing with me right now... the proportions just look perfect.

crap.

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I would love to have this car as part of my collection..... I love it!!!

[johnrando]

That works. Now go get urself one!

[slater]

And now you know what direction you must ​pursue. :)

LOL. it's always easier from behind the keyboard. ;)



Dude, you have to.

Semi-related: for some reason it's always bugged me how M3 mirrors don't have black trim-matched bases like ours do.

yeah, it's bad A, huh?

i agree about the mirrors, it looks cleaner with the gloss black bases. it blends into the door/trim better.



I would love to have this car as part of my collection..... I love it!!!

you and me both, charlie! :cheers

[Stigissimo]

found this image. it is seriously messing with me right now... the proportions just look perfect.

crap.

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Uhm, where did you find this? I shit you not I thought I'd seen every touring m3 on the internet, but never this one.

Sooooo nice. Red works.


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[Sockethead]

Stu has already done it ;)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/3be03c3b72d764ead47914b1d300901b.jpg

[az3579]

Stu has already done it ;)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/3be03c3b72d764ead47914b1d300901b.jpg

Stuart's is a heavily modified 325/330, not a full blown M3 conversion like the one Peter posted...
Very different animals with different characteristics.


Personally, I'd pick Stuart's, but that's because I've seen it in the flesh and already know how awesome it is. :biggrin

[704sw]

Personally, I'd pick Stuart's
I prefer the aesthetics of this one. I think the Mtech2 bumper looks *much* better than the M3 bumper.



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[holyc0w]

I like the red wagon from the rear view, but the M3 front and side gills are not meshing well. Though I'm sure they would grow on me. ;)

[slater]

Uhm, where did you find this? I shit you not I thought I'd seen every touring m3 on the internet, but never this one.

Sooooo nice. Red works.

LOL. kazakhstan.

i grabbed a bunch of pics. it's very nicely done, and yes, imolarot just works on it really well.



Stu has already done it ;)

yep, i know! :) but it's very different than an 'OEM' M3 conversion...



Stuart's is a heavily modified 325/330, not a full blown M3 conversion like the one Peter posted...
Very different animals with different characteristics.


Personally, I'd pick Stuart's, but that's because I've seen it in the flesh and already know how awesome it is. :biggrin

i like stuart's car but it's just way too low for me. i like the M3 look because it looks OEM, and the ride height suits me a lot better. what i don't like is the massive surgery required to the front fenders to make the M3 units fit the sedan.

i'm considering molding in a set of hard motorsports' rivet-on flares.



I prefer the aesthetics of this one. I think the Mtech2 bumper looks *much* better than the M3 bumper.

i like the MTechII bumper better, but i like the whole M3 front end look with the fenders - it's just cleaner looking to me, since the M3 bumper is already the correct width.

if i do mold in the rivet-on flares, i might do the OEM M3 front bumper just to get the width right. i dunno.

the Touring body just looks RIGHT with the flares....



I like the red wagon from the rear view, but the M3 front and side gills are not meshing well. Though I'm sure they would grow on me. ;)

yeah, i hate the side grilles. they would go for sure!

[Sockethead]

I know Stu's car isn't an M3, But he has done an excellent job of putting M3 flares on his wagon, which I think, is the most important part when going for that look

[NoVAphotog]

Stuart's is a heavily modified 325/330, not a full blown M3 conversion like the one Peter posted...
Very different animals with different characteristics.


Personally, I'd pick Stuart's, but that's because I've seen it in the flesh and already know how awesome it is. :biggrin

+1

That car is an absolute blast. Plus it is on air suspension so it rides higher up most of the time. I see it posted over and over again on soo many different forums and groups. Always cool to think that I know the owner each time when these strangers are freaking out about it.

[Guillaumenl]

If there was an easy way to put m3 rear fenders on non m, my car would already done. In my case it's too allow for bigger tires as the LS3 overwhelm my 200 tread wear tire very easily . (I'm running 255).

Peter if you find someone that can do this not too expensively, he has 2 clients. (I would do m3 front conversion at the same time)


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[Stigissimo]

If there was an easy way to put m3 rear fenders on non m, my car would already done. In my case it's too allow for bigger tires as the LS3 overwhelm my 200 tread wear tire very easily . (I'm running 255).

Peter if you find someone that can do this not too expensively, he has 2 clients. (I would do m3 front conversion at the same time)


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Make that 3. Only thing is the second I get the wide fenders, the slippery slope of m3 mods begins :/


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[slater]

If there was an easy way to put m3 rear fenders on non m, my car would already done. In my case it's too allow for bigger tires as the LS3 overwhelm my 200 tread wear tire very easily . (I'm running 255).

Peter if you find someone that can do this not too expensively, he has 2 clients. (I would do m3 front conversion at the same time)

hard motorsport makes M3 flares for both sedans and coupes now! those look like the best option. rivet-on, or mold-in. i like the mold-in option, and i am going to talk to my local paint guy about it. :)

[704sw]

i am going to talk to my local paint guy about it. :)
Make sure he preps well [emoji51]it looks like he left the amber reflectors in place when he did the blue bumper, and there's a bit of overspray. Other than that, he looks like he does good work!



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[hcbeck2689]

Make sure he preps well [emoji51]it looks like he left the amber reflectors in place when he did the blue bumper, and there's a bit of overspray. Other than that, he looks like he does good work!



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Probably painted the reflectors on purpose. Time to bust out the clay on that overspray


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[704sw]

Probably painted the reflectors on purpose. Time to bust out the clay on that overspray


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I used my last clean bit the other week, and now it's only all fit for wheel duty. I really want to try the Nanoskin clay alternative, but ~$50 for clay is turning me away. Gotta get something before I work on Nate's Imola coupe, though.


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[Vas]

I used my last clean bit the other week, and now it's only all fit for wheel duty. I really want to try the Nanoskin clay alternative, but ~$50 for clay is turning me away. Gotta get something before I work on Nate's Imola coupe, though.


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Get a kit from detailers domain that included the Nanoski Autoscrub pad. Same price but includes some extra items.

[ZHPizza]

I used my last clean bit the other week, and now it's only all fit for wheel duty. I really want to try the Nanoskin clay alternative, but ~$50 for clay is turning me away. Gotta get something before I work on Nate's Imola coupe, though.


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I have a nanoskin pad in the garage bruh.


Peter - post pics of the M3 conversion with CSL front bumper so we can try to talk you into that too!

[az3579]

I love Nanoskin Autoscrub. I save so much time with it... Will never go back to clay bars again.

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[hcbeck2689]

I used my last clean bit the other week, and now it's only all fit for wheel duty. I really want to try the Nanoskin clay alternative, but ~$50 for clay is turning me away. Gotta get something before I work on Nate's Imola coupe, though.


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I have a nanoskin and did a side by side comparison, nanoskin worked better and is more user friendly. Not sure what costs $50. I got a nanoskin for under 10 off Amazon and use water/quick detailer. Water was easier for me with clay
Only downside is it's not as easy to get in the little crevices and curves

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[johnrando]

Stuart's is definitely a mean machine.

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[704sw]

Not sure what costs $50. I got a nanoskin for under 10 off Amazon and use water/quick detailer. Water was easier for me with clay
I was looking at a 12x12 nanoskin towel and it's $45. I use water too--actually wash water. I saw Larry Kosilla do it so I figured it must be safe.



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[az3579]

I was looking at a 12x12 nanoskin towel and it's $45. I use water too--actually wash water. I saw Larry Kosilla do it so I figured it must be safe.



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Towel... didn't know they made those. I use the pad with my DA. Super quick!

[RUS_ZHP]

I would love to have this car as part of my collection..... I love it!!!
+1!
I would love to have M3 wagon as my daily car. It looks stunning!
This particular cat is from e46fanatics right? I think there is build thread

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[RUS_ZHP]

Stu has already done it ;)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/3be03c3b72d764ead47914b1d300901b.jpg
O didn't know about. I am going to read his thread now!
Guys you are killing me with all this wagons!!!!

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[slater]

+1!
I would love to have M3 wagon as my daily car. It looks stunning!
This particular cat is from e46fanatics right? I think there is build thread

yeah, i think i saw it over there...



O didn't know about. I am going to read his thread now!
Guys you are killing me with all this wagons!!!!

haha...

be prepared for stuart's level of build quality. dude commands respect! :cheers

[derbo]

Stuart's is a heavily modified 325/330, not a full blown M3 conversion like the one Peter posted...
Very different animals with different characteristics.


Personally, I'd pick Stuart's, but that's because I've seen it in the flesh and already know how awesome it is. :biggrin

Ill have to agree with this. MTECHII front end is nice w/ the M3 Rear end :D

[slater]

Ill have to agree with this. MTECHII front end is nice w/ the M3 Rear end :D

LOL... i see what you did there. :)

might have another unicorn up my sleeve.... will know more in a week. ;)

[BMWCurves]

Have your eye on this bad boy?

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[704sw]

Have your eye on this bad boy?

29079

I actually really like those wheels...like a Style 32/Style 42 hybrid.


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[slater]

Have your eye on this bad boy?

29079

LOL, no... but it is the same color. ;)

[johnrando]

Emphasis on "bad"? :biggrin

[az3579]

Emphasis on "bad"? :biggrin

Rather that than have it end up at the scrap yard. This one was saved.

[johnrando]

I'm cool with that, to each his/her own. Please just don't "save" me like that. :)

[az3579]

I'm cool with that, to each his/her own. Please just don't "save" me like that. :)
I'd be impressed if someone can attach a Colorado bed to your rear end. :rofl

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[Karl Lazlo]

For the homeowner who doesn't want to part with his or her BMW but still needs to do Home Depot runs.

How does one translate "El Camino" into its German equivalent?

[slater]

For the homeowner who doesn't want to part with his or her BMW but still needs to do Home Depot runs.

How does one translate "El Camino" into its German equivalent?

why not own a Touring...? ;)

[Karl Lazlo]

why not own a Touring...? ;)

Because reasons.

[az3579]

why not own a Touring...? ;)

#becauseracetruck

http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2013/trucks/images/31rheemleftside.jpg

[704sw]

#becauseracetruck

http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2013/trucks/images/31rheemleftside.jpg

RWD, LS powered, practical. I'm actually not sure what's not to like.


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[slater]

RWD, LS powered, practical. I'm actually not sure what's not to like.


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it only turns to the left...? ;)

[704sw]

it only turns to the left...? ;)

What other direction do you need it to turn?


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[az3579]

What other direction do you need it to turn?


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Little tough if your driveway is to the right on a one-way street. :)

[slater]

let's get this back on track. :)

lovin' this thing. :cheers

[RUS_ZHP]

Looks so good!!! Especially without roof rack!!!


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[704sw]

Definitely a fan of the no-rack look.


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[slater]

Looks so good!!! Especially without roof rack!!!


Definitely a fan of the no-rack look.

yeah - it just looks cleaner. thanks dudes.

[anandoc]

No roof rails is the way to go. You need perf grills man!

[BMWCurves]

Need more pictures to decide :p

[slater]

No roof rails is the way to go. You need perf grills man!

i know, i have a set in the garage. :)



Need more pictures to decide :p

haha. ;)

[derbo]

the one time I will say "mmmm no rack"

[BMWCurves]

I'm still not totally sold, I think I like the racks better. That said, my opinion isn't what matters, it's what you think, Peter!

[slater]

the one time I will say "mmmm no rack"


I'm still not totally sold, I think I like the racks better. That said, my opinion isn't what matters, it's what you think, Peter!

haha... no worries guys. :)

the next question is........... what will The Unicorn Hunter unveil next? ;) i kinda had something crazy cool fall into my lap this week.

[anandoc]

i kinda had something crazy cool fall into my lap this week.

Be prepared to be interrogated tomorrow evening :p

[holyc0w]

Spinners?

[az3579]

haha... no worries guys. :)

the next question is........... what will The Unicorn Hunter unveil next? ;) i kinda had something crazy cool fall into my lap this week.

You're starting to remind me of Charlie. lol

[slater]

Be prepared to be interrogated tomorrow evening :p

yep... but you gotta keep it on the DL, man. :)



Spinners?

you wish!



You're starting to remind me of Charlie. lol

ha!!! no porsches....................................yet. ;)

[az3579]

ha!!! no porsches....................................yet. ;)


I meant with regards to awesome deals popping up that you can't pass on. :rofl

[hcbeck2689]

I'm still not totally sold, I think I like the racks better. That said, my opinion isn't what matters, it's what you think, Peter!

I agree. I thought I would like the look with no racks but I surprisingly like the rack more. What can I say, I love a good rack.


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[johnrando]

Groan.

[anandoc]

I can't wait for Peter to announce his latest find here...this one is a true unicorn!

[BMWCurves]

I can't wait for Peter to announce his latest find here...this one is a true unicorn!

Peter bought a horse and glued a horn onto it, didn't he?

[san]

Peter bought a horse and glued a horn onto it, didn't he?

That would be awesome! Screw the touring...


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[slater]

Peter bought a horse and glued a horn onto it, didn't he?

dude, not cool - did anando PM you?



;)

[cakM3]

You're starting to remind me of Charlie. lol


ha!!! no porsches....................................yet. ;)


I meant with regards to awesome deals popping up that you can't pass on. :rofl


I had a feeling my name was mentioned ;) Glad to hear things are going well for you Peter! :thumbsup

[slater]

repaired a non-op rear wiper on the Touring last night. wiper movement on the shaft was basically crazy stiff, and the motor has a shut-down feature if the resistance is too high - very nice (avoids burning out the motor).

i disassembled the rear wiper shaft assembly, cleaned up lots of rust/dirt/debris and wire-wheeled the wiper shaft. then lubed with PFTE lube and re-assembled. working as good as it could possibly work now, aside from replacing the entire assembly with new parts. :)

[ZHPizza]

repaired a non-op rear wiper on the Touring last night. wiper movement on the shaft was basically crazy stiff, and the motor has a shut-down feature if the resistance is too high - very nice (avoids burning out the motor).

i disassembled the rear wiper shaft assembly, cleaned up lots of rust/dirt/debris and wire-wheeled the wiper shaft. then lubed with PFTE lube and re-assembled. working as good as it could possibly work now, aside from replacing the entire assembly with new parts. :)

Does the rear have a washer nozzle that you can aim at tailgaters?
I got hit with one of those back in my younger, more aggressive days and couldn't help but appreciate the ingenuity.

[Stigissimo]

Does the rear have a washer nozzle that you can aim at tailgaters?
I got hit with one of those back in my younger, more aggressive days and couldn't help but appreciate the ingenuity.

That's epic.


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[Stigissimo]

So I guess you were just Joshin' us about this "big news" over the weekend?!

[BMWCurves]

So I guess you were just Joshin' us about this "big news" over the weekend?!

:foottap

[slater]

So I guess you were just Joshin' us about this "big news" over the weekend?!


:foottap

sorry dudes. didn't pan out how i was expecting. found a cool Touring (another one) but it turned out to be a rusty mess.

in other news, the Touring is scheduled for paintwork on april 3rd! rust in the right rear arch will get repaired, and some dents and scratches are being addressed. oh, and some MTechII bumpers and sideskirts are being painted. ;)

:cheers

[BMWCurves]

sorry dudes. didn't pan out how i was expecting. found a cool Touring (another one) but it turned out to be a rusty mess.

in other news, the Touring is scheduled for paintwork on april 3rd! rust in the right rear arch will get repaired, and some dents and scratches are being addressed. oh, and some MTechII bumpers and sideskirts are being painted. ;)

:cheers

Bummer about the second touring, but at least you can put that saved money towards your current (my future) touring!

You should update your original post with all the upgrades and stuff it currently has, it's tough to keep track of all of it over 33 pages!

[anandoc]

sorry dudes. didn't pan out how i was expecting. found a cool Touring (another one) but it turned out to be a rusty mess.

in other news, the Touring is scheduled for paintwork on april 3rd! rust in the right rear arch will get repaired, and some dents and scratches are being addressed. oh, and some MTechII bumpers and sideskirts are being painted. ;)

:cheers

You know how I feel about this mess :(

On the brighter side, I am very excited for the MTechII bumpers - both for you and myself :) :)

[slater]

Bummer about the second touring, but at least you can put that saved money towards your current (my future) touring!

You should update your original post with all the upgrades and stuff it currently has, it's tough to keep track of all of it over 33 pages!

crap, i didn't realize it was 33 pages already - how did that happen?!?!

currently it actually only has the M3 seats for 'mods'... but yes, i will update the original post for sure, soon. a lot more work is gonna take place. :)



You know how I feel about this mess :(

On the brighter side, I am very excited for the MTechII bumpers - both for you and myself :) :)

everybody wins. :)

[slater]

Bummer about the second touring, but at least you can put that saved money towards your current (my future) touring!


wait a minute.... i must've glossed over this crazy statement the first time i read it!!

no. no way.

get your own Touring. ;)

[Sockethead]

:rofl

[san]

33 pages? I see only 17 on Tapatalk with 20 posts per page...


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[Vas]

How bad is the rust?

[slater]

How bad is the rust?

on what...?


can't believe i've had this car for almost 4 months already. time flies!

[Vas]

on what...?


can't believe i've had this car for almost 4 months already. time flies!

The right rear arch.

Is it just surface rust or actually it penetrated the panel and will require new metal?

[slater]

The right rear arch.

Is it just surface rust or actually it penetrated the panel and will require new metal?

it's actually pretty bubbly and has one small perforation (which is weird because the rest of the car is amazingly rust-free!). i've got metal i can use for it, and my paint guy has done a bunch of these before (i've seen another E46 that he did). it will get POR15'd before final paint.

[BMWCurves]

wait a minute.... i must've glossed over this crazy statement the first time i read it!!

no. no way.

get your own Touring. ;)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/cd/f2/59/cdf259b218c0c01b67c34c7cc213ee46.jpg

[slater]

i think that's the weirdest thing you've ever posted.

[BMWCurves]

i think that's the weirdest thing you've ever posted.

Give it time.

[Vas]

it's actually pretty bubbly and has one small perforation (which is weird because the rest of the car is amazingly rust-free!). i've got metal i can use for it, and my paint guy has done a bunch of these before (i've seen another E46 that he did). it will get POR15'd before final paint.

Gotcha.

[Sockethead]

i think that's the weirdest thing you've ever posted.

You haven't seen "Guardians of the Galaxy" ?...

[slater]

You haven't seen "Guardians of the Galaxy" ?...

nope...

[704sw]

nope...

Phew, I'm not the only one.

[slater]

Phew, I'm not the only one.

my wife and kids haven't either.

;)

[slater]

yep.

this is the look i'm going for. i will likely use my gloss black BMW Performance grilles, and my apex ARC-8s.

otherwise... yep. this is it.

[san]

yep.

this is the look i'm going for. i will likely use my gloss black BMW Performance grilles, and my apex ARC-8s.

otherwise... yep. this is it.

So roof racks stay on then?


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[704sw]

yep.

this is the look i'm going for. i will likely use my gloss black BMW Performance grilles, and my apex ARC-8s.

otherwise... yep. this is it.

File name checks out.

[slater]

So roof racks stay on then?

maybe. haven't decided on those. i like both ways.



File name checks out.

;)

[Stigissimo]

yep.

this is the look i'm going for. i will likely use my gloss black BMW Performance grilles, and my apex ARC-8s.

otherwise... yep. this is it.

Welp I've gotta change my pants now


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[BMWCurves]

yep.

this is the look i'm going for. i will likely use my gloss black BMW Performance grilles, and my apex ARC-8s.

otherwise... yep. this is it.

God damn that looks so good. Why oh WHY didn't think bring this beauty to the States? Oh right, we love station wagons by Volvo exclusively.

[san]

God damn that looks so good. Why oh WHY didn't think bring this beauty to the States? Oh right, we love station wagons by Volvo exclusively.

Did u see the new Porsche Panamera wagon that IS coming to USA?

https://www.google.com/amp/jalopnik.com/the-2018-porsche-panamera-sport-turismo-is-the-gorgeous-1792874951/amp


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[slater]

God damn that looks so good. Why oh WHY didn't think bring this beauty to the States? Oh right, we love station wagons by Volvo exclusively.

you're going to crap yourself when you learn that i found out they made 6 M Sport 325iT's for north america.... ALL manual... and all went to canada. ;) basically a ZHP Touring with 325i drivetrain, brakes and wheels.

mine will effectively be a 'true' 330iT ZHP (if ever there was such a thing... i'm not sure if europe ever got the M Performance package or not). well, with some upgrades. ;) ZHP engine, trans, brakes, steering rack, trim, etc etc etc etc.... :)

[slater]

Did u see the new Porsche Panamera wagon that IS coming to USA?

https://www.google.com/amp/jalopnik.com/the-2018-porsche-panamera-sport-turismo-is-the-gorgeous-1792874951/amp


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yep! it doesn't look as good as the original concept, in my opinion.... the rear hatch area isn't right. BUT, it's still a porsche wagon, and HECK YEAH!!! :cheers

unfortunately it's going to be priced well out of my reach. well well well well WELL out of it.

[704sw]

God damn that looks so good. Why oh WHY didn't think bring this beauty to the States? Oh right, we love station wagons by Volvo exclusively.

To this day I still LOVE the V70R and 850R. I guess I'm part of the problem.

[san]

yep! it doesn't look as good as the original concept, in my opinion.... the rear hatch area isn't right. BUT, it's still a porsche wagon, and HECK YEAH!!! :cheers

unfortunately it's going to be priced well out of my reach. well well well well WELL out of it.

I like the concepts front fascia more but the rear end I think I prefer the new one. Also the concept seems much shorter but not sure if it's actually the case.

I recently saw a Porsche Cayanne turbo sell for $14.5k, so maybe in 10 years, who knows [emoji6] but obviously maintenance will be a nightmare with all the electronics...


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[san]

To this day I still LOVE the V70R and 850R. I guess I'm part of the problem.

And there are people like me who do not like wagons at all :ducking

So people like me are the reason why OEMs don't sell wagons here...


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[slater]

To this day I still LOVE the V70R and 850R. I guess I'm part of the problem.

the new V70 wagon i saw at NAIAS was stunning. sat in it, loved the interior. very spacious without feeling 'bargy'.

and the early 2000s V70R was killer. except the slow steering an 98' turning circle.



And there are people like me who do not like wagons at all :ducking

So people like me are the reason why OEMs don't sell wagons here...


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hey, they aren't for everyone. no biggie. :)

[san]

the new V70 wagon i saw at NAIAS was stunning. sat in it, loved the interior. very spacious without feeling 'bargy'.

and the early 2000s V70R was killer. except the slow steering an 98' turning circle.




hey, they aren't for everyone. no biggie. :)

I saw the v70 at the show too and I agree, it was quite nice. They had kind of a wood trim in one of them and I think along with a brown interior, it all felt quite nice...


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[BMWCurves]

Did u see the new Porsche Panamera wagon that IS coming to USA?

https://www.google.com/amp/jalopnik.com/the-2018-porsche-panamera-sport-turismo-is-the-gorgeous-1792874951/amp

I did! I'm not a huge fan of the rear end, it looks like the designers sort of gave up at the rear window or something. Sadly I don't think they're making it in a manual and that $96k price tag is a joke.


you're going to crap yourself when you learn that i found out they made 6 M Sport 325iT's for north america.... ALL manual... and all went to canada. ;) basically a ZHP Touring with 325i drivetrain, brakes and wheels.

mine will effectively be a 'true' 330iT ZHP (if ever there was such a thing... i'm not sure if europe ever got the M Performance package or not). well, with some upgrades. ;) ZHP engine, trans, brakes, steering rack, trim, etc etc etc etc.... :)

They did what? And gave them all to you silly Canadians? Who knew the Bavarians had jokes...albeit cruel ones.

And I know, your Touring is going to be magnificent. I think Europe got "Club sport" or some equivalent that had M-tech appearance. I saw a BMW touring with an M-Tech II kit in a small town in Italy back last May.


yep! it doesn't look as good as the original concept, in my opinion.... the rear hatch area isn't right. BUT, it's still a porsche wagon, and HECK YEAH!!! :cheers

unfortunately it's going to be priced well out of my reach. well well well well WELL out of it.

Pretty much took the words out of my fingertips.


To this day I still LOVE the V70R and 850R. I guess I'm part of the problem.

Agreed. It's not a problem, I just wish we had more manufacturers make sporty station wagons.


And there are people like me who do not like wagons at all :ducking

So people like me are the reason why OEMs don't sell wagons here...

To each their own. I certainly didn't like them growing up, but now I think they're awesome. Several "friends" of mine think I'm weird for that reason (among others).

[slater]

And I know, your Touring is going to be magnificent. I think Europe got "Club sport" or some equivalent that had M-tech appearance. I saw a BMW touring with an M-Tech II kit in a small town in Italy back last May.

yeah, in europe you could get the 'M Sport' model which basically was the same as the 'M Sport' model you could buy in canada - the aesthetic package of a ZHP, minus the cams/3.07 rear end/exhaust. very neat cars, and you could get the M Sport package on anything from a 330 to a 318d, coupe/sedan/Touring. so they are way more common over there.

[slater]

UPDATE:

well... big decision time is here.

i've decided to use my ZHP as a donor for my Touring. it was really hard decision. i love the sedan and have had it for 3 years this month... however a few things really pushed me over the edge.

Sedan CONS:

- the sedan rear floor has a crack in the normal spot (near the left rear subframe mount); and the RACP is separating from the frame rail/wheel well sheet metal. it's actually been doing this for a while but i didn't really understand what i was looking at. i riveted it back together in august, at vince's recommendation, and it seems to be holding fine - but still, i don't like it.
- since i filled the RACP, i can't weld the crack closed (fire hazard).
- it was in a minor front-end accident (not on the the carproof report), which i discovered after i bought it. the rad support is kinked a bit, and the hood is aftermarket and doesn't sit right. always bugged me.
- the sedan just ain't as practical as a Touring.

Touring PROS:

- 10/2004 build date, so it has the factory reinforcement piece (take that with a grain of salt) in the RACP. but it's gotta be good for something. also, the floor and LR arch area (where i have an issue with the sedan) is totally fine.
- undercarriage it actually crazy clean. way cleaner than my sedan.
- it's actually MS45.1, meaning the ZHP motor just drops right in. all i need to do is flash the DME with the ZHP software.
- extra utility is awesome and has already proven to be invaluable in our daily life (as the montero is out of commission more than i would like).
- super awesome for road trips - the rear cupholder is awesome and the extra space inside the cabin just makes it feel bigger and more 'airy'. definitely nice.
- one owner car, all records. no accidents.
- has all of the options i want from the factory.


so what is the scope of the project? well, i'll tell ya. the Touring gets:

- ZHP engine, trans, and MFactory 3.46 LSD rear end - everything i've spent tons of time on getting the way i wanted it on the ZHP - it will live on in the Touring and enjoyed the heck out of.
- ZHP steering rack from the ZHP
- 330i brakes
- bilstein PSS from the ZHP (i'm likely going to do a linear spring conversion) and all of the other suspension bits from the ZHP
- ZKW/TRS headlights from the ZHP
- Touring MTechII bumpers and side skirts
- black Touring headliner, pillars, black cube trim, M Sport sills, etc - it will look like a ZHP Touring with M Sport bits (M Sport dead pedal too)
- LCM (SW ver 4.5) from the ZHP with triple blink, etc
- manual-dip rearview mirror (dang i hate auto-dim)
- M3 front seats (already done ;))
- alcantara shift and handbrake boots
- half-perf leather M3 wheel and E90 M Sport shift knob from the ZHP
- apex ARC-8s from the ZHP
- gloss black BMW Performance grilles
- OEM euro clear/red taillights and OEM clear corner + sidemarker lights
- OEM rubber trunk mat
- USB charger for the rear seat :) (my kids are getting to this point now)
- BMW Performance exhaust!!
- valeo 6-speed SMF conversion kit

i'm aiming to have the entire project completed by june 1.

what does that mean for the ZHP? well, lots of parts that i won't be using have already been requested - even before i decided to do this project! kind of weird, but awesome. and lots of misc bits - like the radio, HVAC unit, misc clips, screws, etc - will just go into 'inventory.' :) most everything will be used or sold and will live on in other cars. i'm happy with that.

and the ZHP Touring will become a reality. :)

i'm going to do my best to photo-document as much as i can. usually i get really into a project and then when it's mostly done i realize, oh crap - i forgot to take pictures. i'm going to try to do a better job with this one.

:cheers

[danewilson77]

Wow. What a great project.

Have fun. Be safe. Keep us informed.

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[Stigissimo]

Soooo.... you're pretty much building the perfect zhp touring. SICK. When are you looking to get started?


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[az3579]

Soooo.... you're pretty much building the perfect zhp touring. SICK. When are you looking to get started?

Well, it's not Imola (or Estoril) so it can't be perfect​. He can get pretty close though. :biggrin

[BMWCurves]

Nice, Peter! It sounds like you've thought about it for a while and are confident in the choice you've made.

Sounds like the Touring will be awesome. Where did/will you source the anthracite headliner for the touring from? Also, is the rear section for the struts plug and play with sedan bits? I remember randomly looking a long time ago and Koni gave different part numbers for a touring.

Best of luck!






And if you don't post EXTENSIVE photo documentation...

[704sw]

I remember reading Peter's threads and emails after deciding to buy the Estoril, but before actually meeting him, and thinking "this guy is crazy!" Then I met him and thought "this guy is completely normal; why the hell did I think he was so crazy?" Then comes a post like this (which we all knew was coming lol) and suddenly "ohhh right! That's why I thought he was crazy!"

I'm so excited to see the completed project in-person. Even unmodified, that car was really neat when I saw it. I think I still prefer IR, but damn that Japanrot is a really cool color. You better go crazy with the pictures and documentation, because I have some popcorn that needs to be eaten.

[johnrando]

Uh, wow!

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[anandoc]

I remember reading Peter's threads and emails after deciding to buy the Estoril, but before actually meeting him, and thinking "this guy is crazy!" Then I met him and thought "this guy is completely normal; why the hell did I think he was so crazy?" Then comes a post like this (which we all knew was coming lol) and suddenly "ohhh right! That's why I thought he was crazy!"



The first time I heard about this plan, I had the same reaction - 'Whoa! You're crazy!'

Peter, a project of such epic proportions must be documented with ample pictures. Goodluck my friend, I hope the touring turns out to be exactly the way you want it to be.

[fredo]

That's big news, Peter ! GL on your project. :thumbsup

[NoVAphotog]

UPDATE:
the Touring gets:

- S54 engine, trans, and MFactory 3.46 LSD rear end - everything i've spent tons of time on getting the way i wanted it on the ZHP - it will live on in the Touring and enjoyed the heck out of.
- ZHP steering rack from the ZHP
- 330i brakes
- bilstein PSS from the ZHP (i'm likely going to do a linear spring conversion) and all of the other suspension bits from the ZHP
- ZKW/TRS headlights from the ZHP
- Touring MTechII bumpers and side skirts
- black Touring headliner, pillars, black cube trim, M Sport sills, etc - it will look like a ZHP Touring with M Sport bits (M Sport dead pedal too)
- LCM (SW ver 4.5) from the ZHP with triple blink, etc
- manual-dip rearview mirror (dang i hate auto-dim)
- M3 front seats (already done ;))
- alcantara shift and handbrake boots
- half-perf leather M3 wheel and E90 M Sport shift knob from the ZHP
- apex ARC-8s from the ZHP
- gloss black BMW Performance grilles
- OEM euro clear/red taillights and OEM clear corner + sidemarker lights
- OEM rubber trunk mat
- USB charger for the rear seat :) (my kids are getting to this point now)

:cheers

FTFY! ;)

jk...sort of...sell zhp and montero...acquire engine and/or supercharger for M54

Sounds awesome Peter! Looking forward to pictures of the process!! These sort of projects and the pictures always lend themselves into basically a big DIY that covers a lot of other things for folks to refer back to.

[ZHPizza]

Congrats on making the [correct] decision!

You're now through the hardest part of any project: developing the scope

Man, I'm pumped to see this thing in a few months.

Oh and did you ever try flipping the carpet trunk liner in the touring to see if it was rubber-backed like the coupe/sedans?

[san]

I was pretty certain you were going to go this route [emoji6]

Good luck Peter, even though I'm not a fan of tourings, your project is something that I am curious to see how it turns out (maybe your project will change my opinion[emoji6]). It seems like a helluva project since you'll be working on 2 cars at the same time pretty much.

And yes, PICS!! [emoji4]


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[slater]

Wow. What a great project.

Have fun. Be safe. Keep us informed.

thanks dane. it's going to be a rollercoaster!



Soooo.... you're pretty much building the perfect zhp touring. SICK. When are you looking to get started?

thanks - that is my goal! it's going to be a weird amalgamation of ZHP and M Sport and Touring... basically a 'what if BMW made this' car.... except i've got some upgrades going in (like the LSD, and suspension stuff). otherwise OEM+. :)

paintwork for bumpers and rust/dent repair begins on april 3rd... so i'm hoping to get the interior done before then. teardown of the sedan will commence when the Touring goes in for paintwork because i have to repair some things on my wife's montero now (wheel bearing, front brakes, shocks, ball joints, etc), and i will need to use it for DD use while the Touring is in for paintwork.



Well, it's not Imola (or Estoril) so it can't be perfect​. He can get pretty close though. :biggrin

i actually like japanrot better than imolarot... it's more 'red' and contrasts with the shadowline trim better.

but estoril......... oh dear. :) yes please!



Nice, Peter! It sounds like you've thought about it for a while and are confident in the choice you've made.

Sounds like the Touring will be awesome. Where did/will you source the anthracite headliner for the touring from? Also, is the rear section for the struts plug and play with sedan bits? I remember randomly looking a long time ago and Koni gave different part numbers for a touring.

Best of luck!

And if you don't post EXTENSIVE photo documentation...

LOL... thanks. :)

i found a black Touring headliner. ;)

yep, the suspension is exactly the same as the sedan and coupe. some manufacturers make a 'Touring-specific' spring, which has a higher rear rate and length to cope with the extra 80lbs. but i'll be using coilovers, so no worries there (i am increasing the spring rate though).



I remember reading Peter's threads and emails after deciding to buy the Estoril, but before actually meeting him, and thinking "this guy is crazy!" Then I met him and thought "this guy is completely normal; why the hell did I think he was so crazy?" Then comes a post like this (which we all knew was coming lol) and suddenly "ohhh right! That's why I thought he was crazy!"

I'm so excited to see the completed project in-person. Even unmodified, that car was really neat when I saw it. I think I still prefer IR, but damn that Japanrot is a really cool color. You better go crazy with the pictures and documentation, because I have some popcorn that needs to be eaten.

hahaha.... YES, i am a little crazy. :) but hey, i don't care. you're just as crazy, but perhaps in a different way. ;)

i think that 'neat' factor is another reason why i want to do this project and keep it as my DD. it's even rarer than my ZHP on several levels, and i like that (no one should be surprised by that at this point. ;) )

and yes, whenever we make it down to NC/SC, i want to bring this car for sure!



The first time I heard about this plan, I had the same reaction - 'Whoa! You're crazy!'

Peter, a project of such epic proportions must be documented with ample pictures. Goodluck my friend, I hope the touring turns out to be exactly the way you want it to be.

thanks man. :) you'll be seeing it more than anyone else, i'm sure!



That's big news, Peter ! GL on your project. :thumbsup

thanks fredo!



FTFY! ;)

jk...sort of...sell zhp and montero...acquire engine and/or supercharger for M54

Sounds awesome Peter! Looking forward to pictures of the process!! These sort of projects and the pictures always lend themselves into basically a big DIY that covers a lot of other things for folks to refer back to.

thanks daniel. yeah, i hope it does - and that is why i documented stuff with my other project. knowledge is useless unless you share it, and i love helping people.

re: the supercharger.... well, i dunno. the car is MS45.1 and rob can attest to how much fun the tuning process is. maybe someday. but not likely. :)

re: selling the montero - my wife loves it. the only vehicle she'd give it up for is a 7-passenger X5. which..... i would love, and honestly at this point it likely is about the same amount of PITA that the montero is, maintenance-wise. i would want an X35d, i think.



Congrats on making the [correct] decision!

You're now through the hardest part of any project: developing the scope

Man, I'm pumped to see this thing in a few months.

Oh and did you ever try flipping the carpet trunk liner in the touring to see if it was rubber-backed like the coupe/sedans?

LOL, you were goading me the whole time!!! ;) :cheers

yes, the scope was hard. but it feels natural. and i love hunting for parts... ;)

the Touring's middle carpet section is actually a hard board, and no rubber on the backside. i will be getting a BMW trunk mat.



I was pretty certain you were going to go this route [emoji6]

Good luck Peter, even though I'm not a fan of tourings, your project is something that I am curious to see how it turns out (maybe your project will change my opinion[emoji6]). It seems like a helluva project since you'll be working on 2 cars at the same time pretty much.

And yes, PICS!! [emoji4]

haha. thanks man, it will require some serious planning, as i only have a 1-car garage. i am planning to buy some car dollies, an engine hoist, and a transmission jack in the next couple of weeks to get ready for it.

i will likely pull the ZHP into the garage, remove stuff.... then put the bare chassis on the car dollies and push it out of the garage. then pull in the Touring and begin work.

i'm going to remove the ZHP engine/trans/front subframe/steering rack/suspension as a whole unit - since i'm using it all as-is anyway, although i will be installing a valeo SMF conversion kit with new clutch. forgot to mention that in my notes. :)

[Stigissimo]

Where'd you find the headliner?


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[Sockethead]

I had a feeling you were going to go this route. This was my plan if I ever got the AW touring I was thinking about buying.... Can't wait to read/watch your progress!

Goof idea removing the whole front assy. This will save hours of work!

[slater]

Where'd you find the headliner?

i got it from a car that came with one from the factory. ;)

i will likely end up with an extra full black pillar/visor/grab handle set for a Touring if you're interested. :) and i found the OEM headliner fabric on ebay, if you got that you could do the swap in your Touring too.



I had a feeling you were going to go this route. This was my plan if I ever got the AW touring I was thinking about buying.... Can't wait to read/watch your progress!

AW... oh man. that would be awesome! :)

[Stigissimo]

i got it from a car that came with one from the factory. ;)

i will likely end up with an extra full black pillar/visor/grab handle set for a Touring if you're interested. :) and i found the OEM headliner fabric on ebay, if you got that you could do the swap the touring


Yeah keep me posted!



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[slater]

Yeah keep me posted!

will do.... your car needs them! :)

[derbo]

Oh. This will be fun. :)

I can't wait to watch the progress. Wish I could help!

[ELCID86]

Wow. The epic adventure continues!


---
"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - anonymous E46 fanatic

[slater]

Oh. This will be fun. :)

I can't wait to watch the progress. Wish I could help!

that would be awesome! but you'll have to live vicariously through pics. :)



Wow. The epic adventure continues!

yep! when are you getting a Touring? ;)

[ELCID86]

yep! when are you getting a Touring? ;)

I'm still socializing the idea of a sale with a lady at work... her hubby is warming to the idea.

[slater]

I'm still socializing the idea of a sale with a lady at work... her hubby is warming to the idea.

excellent. what are you plans for the car, should the sale go through?

[ELCID86]

excellent. what are you plans for the car, should the sale go through?
Mine or the ixt? Wagon would be a project car. Would love a zhp conversation.

My 22yo Nolan needs a car since we sold his TDI back to VW so I may let him borrow one of them for a while...

[slater]

Mine or the ixt? Wagon would be a project car. Would love a zhp conversation.

My 22yo Nolan needs a car since we sold his TDI back to VW so I may let him borrow one of them for a while...

gotcha. would you use your ZHP for the donor for the 325xiT? then you could do a RWD conversion, would be pretty easy...

[az3579]

My 22yo Nolan needs a car since we sold his TDI back to VW so I may let him borrow one of them for a while...

I've got a GLI that's calling his name... :eeps

[ELCID86]

gotcha. would you use your ZHP for the donor for the 325xiT? then you could do a RWD conversion, would be pretty easy...

My old red car isn't very suitable as a donor. Would need to find another ...

And Good one BP! It's hard to believe some of the new 2017 base Jettas are under $13k.

[az3579]

And Good one BP! It's hard to believe some of the new 2017 base Jettas are under $13k.


They actually start at $17,895.
http://www.vw.com/models/?ssem_llhn0VgA_120404328786_c$$&mkwid=sllhn0VgA_120404328786_volkswagen+usa_e_c&mtid=901kjf6786&gclid=Cj0KEQiAuonGBRCaotXoycysvIMBEiQAcxV0nJlfNAUd jSh1kend68yPifFoHgt8sMqb2eYBfj6_oocaAoto8P8HAQ&semid=1&sekwtxt=volkswagen+usa&pmt=e&product_id=

[slater]

crazy. i would actually consider a new golf 4motion wagon for my wife, but the 7-passenger requirement is a bit of a deal killer. i really liked the golf alltrak thing at NAIAS.

[704sw]

Found Peter another unicorn.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ctd/6035276256.html

[anandoc]

Found Peter another unicorn.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ctd/6035276256.html

You seem to have contracted a rare condition called 'the peter'. Its neither curable nor treatable. Sorry bro :(

[az3579]

Found Peter another unicorn.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ctd/6035276256.html
I just threw up a little in my mouth.

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[Sockethead]

I've never been a fan of that yellow

[slater]

Found Peter another unicorn.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ctd/6035276256.html

wow, cool! i actually really like that, and i'm not a huge fan of yellow.

if i didn't already have a Touring i would probably seriously look into that one.



You seem to have contracted a rare condition called 'the peter'. Its neither curable nor treatable. Sorry bro :(

LOL!

[704sw]

I just threw up a little in my mouth.
I know it's not a popular opinion in E46 Land but that's how I react to Phoenix Yellow.

You seem to have contracted a rare condition called 'the peter'. Its neither curable nor treatable. Sorry bro :(
Is there no hope? I'm guessing the acute onset financial deficiency might somehow be related?

I've never been a fan of that yellow
It's always been a very polarizing color, it seems. If I were making a garage queen E36, I think it'd have to be in an obnoxious color like Dakar on Black, or Technoviolet on Modena.

wow, cool! i actually really like that, and i'm not a huge fan of yellow.
It's in serious need of an amber delete.

[holyc0w]

It's always been a very polarizing color, it seems. If I were making a garage queen E36, I think it'd have to be in an obnoxious color like Dakar on Black, or Technoviolet on Modena.

The dakar yellow works better on the E36, and the technoviolet is very cool. Technoviolet, avus blue, and estoril are the best e36 M3 colors.

[ELCID86]

They actually start at $17,895.
http://www.vw.com/models/?ssem_llhn0VgA_120404328786_c$$&mkwid=sllhn0VgA_120404328786_volkswagen+usa_e_c&mtid=901kjf6786&gclid=Cj0KEQiAuonGBRCaotXoycysvIMBEiQAcxV0nJlfNAUd jSh1kend68yPifFoHgt8sMqb2eYBfj6_oocaAoto8P8HAQ&semid=1&sekwtxt=volkswagen+usa&pmt=e&product_id=

Not with incentives. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170314/9ce5c5be6a748345e60ef403a708046d.jpg

[az3579]

Not with incentives. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170314/9ce5c5be6a748345e60ef403a708046d.jpg


How much do you want to bet that's clickbait? Bait and switch... whatever you want to call it. Nobody's knocking off 5 grand off a 2017 MY $19k car brand new unless something's wrong with it.

Reminds me of all the $20k brand new 320's I keep seeing for sale... hail damaged of course, but you have to click on it and read the description to see that.

[ELCID86]

How much do you want to bet that's clickbait? Bait and switch... whatever you want to call it. Nobody's knocking off 5 grand off a 2017 MY $19k car brand new unless something's wrong with it.

Reminds me of all the $20k brand new 320's I keep seeing for sale... hail damaged of course, but you have to click on it and read the description to see that.

Yeah I'm sure they have one of those (and it just sold...)

/threadjack

[slater]

roof rails back on.

wife pretty much only drives the Touring now ("the truck sounds grumbly." - it needs a wheel bearing or two.)

that is all for now. been working on my house a lot - bathroom, laundry room, and front hall closet done. 10" wide pine floors installed, first coat of poly (oil-based, of course) went on the floors in the addition this afternoon. totally high on fumes. this stuff dries so fast, second coat has to go on before midnight. next up - window and door trim, baseboards, and custom doors - 6 of them. and i really need to build a crosscut sled for my tablesaw.

and i'm sick. blech. mineral spirits, polyurethane fumes, and tylenol cold + sinus. just need a glass of wine now to complete it... :cheers

[BMWCurves]

roof rails back on.

wife pretty much only drives the Touring now ("the truck sounds grumbly." - it needs a wheel bearing or two.)

that is all for now. been working on my house a lot - bathroom, laundry room, and front hall closet done. 10" wide pine floors installed, first coat of poly (oil-based, of course) went on the floors in the addition this afternoon. totally high on fumes. this stuff dries so fast, second coat has to go on before midnight. next up - window and door trim, baseboards, and custom doors - 6 of them. and i really need to build a crosscut sled for my tablesaw.

and i'm sick. blech. mineral spirits, polyurethane fumes, and tylenol cold + sinus. just need a glass of wine now to complete it... :cheers

1) Roof rails back on? http://i.imgur.com/OnLEt1U.gif
2) How does the wife like the Touring compared to the SUUUUUV when they're both running well?
3) Nice work, seems like you're trucking right along. What is your overall plan for your house work? I can't remember. I vaguely believe there was some mention of garage work or are my own fantasies muddling things?
4) Bummer about the cold but I think you're on the right track (add wine and maybe some suspiciously outdated cheese).

[ZHPizza]

roof rails back on.

wife pretty much only drives the Touring now ("the truck sounds grumbly." - it needs a wheel bearing or two.)

that is all for now. been working on my house a lot - bathroom, laundry room, and front hall closet done. 10" wide pine floors installed, first coat of poly (oil-based, of course) went on the floors in the addition this afternoon. totally high on fumes. this stuff dries so fast, second coat has to go on before midnight. next up - window and door trim, baseboards, and custom doors - 6 of them. and i really need to build a crosscut sled for my tablesaw.

and i'm sick. blech. mineral spirits, polyurethane fumes, and tylenol cold + sinus. just need a glass of wine now to complete it... :cheers
It's not news to anyone here, but you are an absolute madman.

Really, though, strong work on the house! I bet that entryway is awesome now. I'd ask for pics, but I'm really more interested in the Knex roller coaster...

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[anandoc]

... totally high on fumes....

just need a glass of wine now to complete it...

Drugs, alcohol...wow never thought you were such a party animal ;)

Great work on the house - I remember the 'before' from October and would love to check out the 'after' in April.

Get better soon man and post pics of the house when you can.

[slater]

1) Roof rails back on? http://i.imgur.com/OnLEt1U.gif
2) How does the wife like the Touring compared to the SUUUUUV when they're both running well?
3) Nice work, seems like you're trucking right along. What is your overall plan for your house work? I can't remember. I vaguely believe there was some mention of garage work or are my own fantasies muddling things?
4) Bummer about the cold but I think you're on the right track (add wine and maybe some suspiciously outdated cheese).

dude, you're AnimaGifs are hilarious.

my wife probably wouldn't admit to liking the Touring at all, but she has admitted to the much, much better fuel consumption. really though, once i get The Tank sorted out she will likely start driving it again. it needs a wheel bearing, front brakes, front ball joints, new shocks, LSx...

the house plan is to enclose the breezeway we had between the house and the garage. new foundation for the front/back walls, new front/back walls, new floor, added a new front door, front deck, 3 gables into the existing roofline of the breezeway, additional 2-piece bath, laundry closet, front hall closet, 2 more storage closets (200-year old houses always hurt for storage space)..... it really wrapped up a lot of loose ends in our house and added another maybe 200sf of living space - it doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds so much in how the space is used.



It's not news to anyone here, but you are an absolute madman.

Really, though, strong work on the house! I bet that entryway is awesome now. I'd ask for pics, but I'm really more interested in the Knex roller coaster...

the problem with the knex rollercoaster is 2-fold.... a) my son doesn't seem that interested, and b) with the reno going on, the rest of the house is crammed with furniture that doesn't belong there. :) we'll get 'er done once the mess is cleaned up.

i'll post some pics of the project when it's done - it's close, just have trim to finish and doors to build. and, and new siding and shingles... oof.



Drugs, alcohol...wow never thought you were such a party animal ;)

Great work on the house - I remember the 'before' from October and would love to check out the 'after' in April.

Get better soon man and post pics of the house when you can.

yep, will do. thanks man.

the poly fumes were an unfortunate byproduct. i enjoy my beer and wine, but my drug days are waaaaaay over...

[BMWCurves]

dude, you're AnimaGifs are hilarious.

http://i.imgur.com/S9y8mUD.gif


my wife probably wouldn't admit to liking the Touring at all, but she has admitted to the much, much better fuel consumption. really though, once i get The Tank sorted out she will likely start driving it again. it needs a wheel bearing, front brakes, front ball joints, new shocks, LSx...

Haha why wouldn't she admit to liking the touring? It's basically a squished compact RWD SUV.


the house plan is to enclose the breezeway we had between the house and the garage. new foundation for the front/back walls, new front/back walls, new floor, added a new front door, front deck, 3 gables into the existing roofline of the breezeway, additional 2-piece bath, laundry closet, front hall closet, 2 more storage closets (200-year old houses always hurt for storage space)..... it really wrapped up a lot of loose ends in our house and added another maybe 200sf of living space - it doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds so much in how the space is used.

Hot damn that's a lot. 200 square feet isn't much but I fully understand what that space can do to transform the utility of an area. Very cool! More pics!

[slater]

Haha why wouldn't she admit to liking the touring? It's basically a squished compact RWD SUV.

Hot damn that's a lot. 200 square feet isn't much but I fully understand what that space can do to transform the utility of an area. Very cool! More pics!

well, she would be the first to tell you that she doesn't care about cars. but she does enjoy driving a manual trans.

yeah, it's a big project. i was fortunate to be able to hire a friend who used to be a builder to come and help me with the structural aspects, so that we could get it all closed in before winter. we started the project in mid- to late-october, which is not ideal when considering in late november we opened a gaping hole in the backside of the house for 2-3 days to rebuild the back wall of this part of the house. i really should have been done with everything inside already, but i took a sanity break in january to regroup a bit. big projects like this are not what i want to be doing right now, but the housing market is exploding around here at the moment and we might be moving in the next year, so i both want to finish the house and also enjoy it a little before we sell - and the changes/additions we've made are going to make us a lot more back when we sell it.

the problem with a booming market is.... well, buying at inflated prices too. i have crazy desire to pocket 1/3 of the profits, and with the rest, buy a remote plot of land and a tiny house and go off-grid.

[BMWCurves]

well, she would be the first to tell you that she doesn't care about cars. but she does enjoy driving a manual trans.

yeah, it's a big project. i was fortunate to be able to hire a friend who used to be a builder to come and help me with the structural aspects, so that we could get it all closed in before winter. we started the project in mid- to late-october, which is not ideal when considering in late november we opened a gaping hole in the backside of the house for 2-3 days to rebuild the back wall of this part of the house. i really should have been done with everything inside already, but i took a sanity break in january to regroup a bit. big projects like this are not what i want to be doing right now, but the housing market is exploding around here at the moment and we might be moving in the next year, so i both want to finish the house and also enjoy it a little before we sell - and the changes/additions we've made are going to make us a lot more back when we sell it.

the problem with a booming market is.... well, buying at inflated prices too. i have crazy desire to pocket 1/3 of the profits, and with the rest, buy a remote plot of land and a tiny house and go off-grid.

Interesting. I'm sure it'll turn out great, and as you say, will definitely help when you sell it. How come you're planning on moving? Going off grid is the retirement dream. Maybe somewhere up in Montana...:biggrin

I feel like the housing market is booming everywhere. My parents put in an offer last year for a house that wasn't even really on the market yet. Over the weekend the owners got back to them and said they'd taken an offer by a couple from California who were giving $100k over asking in cash. Just ridiculous.

[slater]

Interesting. I'm sure it'll turn out great, and as you say, will definitely help when you sell it. How come you're planning on moving? Going off grid is the retirement dream. Maybe somewhere up in Montana...:biggrin

I feel like the housing market is booming everywhere. My parents put in an offer last year for a house that wasn't even really on the market yet. Over the weekend the owners got back to them and said they'd taken an offer by a couple from California who were giving $100k over asking in cash. Just ridiculous.

montana sounds nice. :) going off the grid isn't only the retirement dream... i know lots of people here who either are, or want to be doing it. myself included.

california is in it's own world, man. toronto is similar - the average house costs something like $800K. nuts.

[anandoc]

toronto is similar - the average house costs something like $800K. nuts.

Try 1.5m for a detached house :(

"In Toronto, the average price of a detached home now sits at $1,573,622, a 29.8 per cent jump from last year, according to TREB"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-real-estate-february-1.4008215

[704sw]

Try 1.5m for a detached house :(

"In Toronto, the average price of a detached home now sits at $1,573,622, a 29.8 per cent jump from last year, according to TREB"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-real-estate-february-1.4008215

That's only like $1.1M real dollars [emoji51]

[slater]

Try 1.5m for a detached house :(

"In Toronto, the average price of a detached home now sits at $1,573,622, a 29.8 per cent jump from last year, according to TREB"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-real-estate-february-1.4008215

oh man... it's worse than i thought. OUCH.



That's only like $1.1M real dollars [emoji51]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuYlg2U6Xp0?t=10

[slater]

UPDATE:

touring went in for paint yesterday. bumpers off, ready to receive MTechII bumpers and address the rust in the RR arch, a few dents, etc. hoping to have it back by mid-next week. ZHP comes off the road very soon.

i received OEM clear corners and turn signals yesterday, to match the new OEM red/clean tails i've got also. :)

[Sockethead]

awesome! looking forward to the results!

[Stigissimo]

Were you able to snag an MTechII rear?


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[slater]

awesome! looking forward to the results!

thanks rob, me too! i scored some used OEM cross bars recently too - they've got a T-track in them, kinda like on a table saw. i'm going to build a lumber rack for it. :)



Were you able to snag an MTechII rear?

yep, front, rear and side skirts. ;)

still debating on whether to rock the Style 68s or run my apex ARC-8s... the 68s look awesome on the Touring.

[Stigissimo]

thanks rob, me too! i scored some used OEM cross bars recently too - they've got a T-track in them, kinda like on a table saw. i'm going to build a lumber rack for it. :)




yep, front, rear and side skirts. ;)

still debating on whether to rock the Style 68s or run my apex ARC-8s... the 68s look awesome on the Touring.

Arc-8s, no question


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[BMWCurves]

Peter, your touring's a bit promiscuous, showing some skin.


Arc-8s, no question


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+1

[Sockethead]

Yep! lets see it with the Arc-8s after the bumper are done! :)

[slater]

Peter, your touring's a bit promiscuous, showing some skin.

it's a sexy car, no doubt... :)



Arc-8s, no question

Yep! lets see it with the Arc-8s after the bumper are done! :)

well... if i put the ARC-8s on before i put the bilstein PSS in, the car's going to look like a 4x4. ;)

[anandoc]

UPDATE:

touring went in for paint yesterday. bumpers off, ready to receive MTechII bumpers and address the rust in the RR arch, a few dents, etc. hoping to have it back by mid-next week. ZHP comes off the road very soon.

i received OEM clear corners and turn signals yesterday, to match the new OEM red/clean tails i've got also. :)

Looking forward to this :biggrin

[nextelbuddy]

you found MtechII for touring here in the states? usually you can find the front and sides but the rear can only be found in Germany usually since touring in the US never had full mtech II kit.

Car is going to look sick, and ARC 8s please. the style 68 are just too small.. too much tire :)

[slater]

you found MtechII for touring here in the states? usually you can find the front and sides but the rear can only be found in Germany usually since touring in the US never had full mtech II kit.

Car is going to look sick, and ARC 8s please. the style 68 are just too small.. too much tire :)

i live in canada.... i inquired with my local BMW dealer and they said they could get one. nic on here has one, the guy who built his Touring obviously got it somewhere. and canada got 6 Tourings with MTechII kit.

yeah... i might end up moving from a 245/35/18 PSS to a 235/40/18 PSS/PS4S, for more sidewall... mostly because i feel like the 245/35/18's just look too small.

[Stigissimo]

i live in canada.... i inquired with my local BMW dealer and they said they could get one. nic on here has one, the guy who built his Touring obviously got it somewhere.

yeah... i might end up moving from a 245/35/18 PSS to a 235/40/18 PSS/PS4S, for more sidewall... mostly because i feel like the 245/35/18's just look too small.

He has a connection at the bmw dealer who was able to import it from Germany at cost.


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[slater]

He has a connection at the bmw dealer who was able to import it from Germany at cost.

ha, right!!

actually, no.

[Stigissimo]

ha, right!!

Well, quoted "cost" lol

When you get down to it it's just a big piece of plastic


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[ZHPizza]

yeah... i might end up moving from a 245/35/18 PSS to a 235/40/18 PSS/PS4S, for more sidewall... mostly because i feel like the 245/35/18's just look too small.

You been eyeing my Coopers...

[slater]

Well, quoted "cost" lol

When you get down to it it's just a big piece of plastic

yep, it is. well-shaped plastic, but still plastic. :)



You been eyeing my Coopers...

dude, da coops are not worthy of my Touring. they can only go on coupes. i need me some b-stone turanzas.... cause... tOUranza... get it?





i need more coffee.

[slater]

dude, da coops are not worthy of my Touring. they can only go on coupes.

wow. i totally said that backwards. meant to say the Touring was not worthy of da coops!

[san]

wow. i totally said that backwards. meant to say the Touring was not worthy of da coops!

You definitely need more coffee lol


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[slater]

got some progress pics of the Touring's paintwork yesterday, it is coming along nicely. hoping to have it back by thursday, wearing the MTechII kit! :) :cheers

[704sw]

got some progress pics of the Touring's paintwork yesterday, it is coming along nicely. hoping to have it back by thursday, wearing the MTechII kit! :) :cheers

Progress pics? Would you care to share with the class?

[ZHPizza]

got some progress pics of the Touring's paintwork yesterday, it is coming along nicely. hoping to have it back by thursday, wearing the MTechII kit! :) :cheers
A text-only post saying that you got some pics might be the most Peter thing you've done all year.

[slater]

Progress pics? Would you care to share with the class?

maybe...

;)



A text-only post saying that you got some pics might be the most Peter thing you've done all year.

ha!

hey, i should maybe venture in the world of Suspense Writing. yes?

[704sw]

maybe...

;)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170412/23c8c3f50873d1dc40742571758def39.jpg

[slater]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170412/23c8c3f50873d1dc40742571758def39.jpg

LOL!!! good one. loved that movie.

"yeah... i'm doin' the drywall up 'er at the new mcdonalds."

[az3579]

hey, i should maybe venture in the world of Suspense Writing. yes?


No. Just... no.

[cakM3]

I'm waiting along with everyone else....


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[slater]

I'm waiting along with everyone else....


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;)

[slater]

OK, here are some pics. these are from my paint guy and came over via text, so they are really tiny. major stuff getting done:

1. RR arch: rust right where the arch meets the bumper. the car is very clean rust-wise, but this spot was some weird anomaly.

2. hatch: the were several little bubbles along the very bottom edge of the hatch, as well as a few tiny bubbles just above the hatch release handle. i also had him de-badge the hatch... i like a clean butt. :)

3. LR arch and LR door: there was a huge scratch down the LR door and arch, almost to the taillight - PO said it was from a branch. not sure, most likely was keyed. also there was a small dent and crease in the LR door, LR arch just behind the LR door, and a dent in the LR arch where it met the bumper (along with some chipped paint).

4. MTechII bumpers and skirts painted.

it hopefully will be done by friday, and i will do re-assembly on saturday. then the rest of the project commences... :)

[az3579]

May I ask how much this kind of body work is costing you? I really need to start addressing some areas but am too afraid of what it might cost.

[slater]

May I ask how much this kind of body work is costing you? I really need to start addressing some areas but am too afraid of what it might cost.

not sure what the final tally will be, but probably around $1500 (including painting the bumpers). a lot of it depends on the cost of the paint (imola is on the expensive side, for example), and who is doing the work.

[az3579]

not sure what the final tally will be, but probably around $1500 (including painting the bumpers). a lot of it depends on the cost of the paint (imola is on the expensive side, for example), and who is doing the work.

You see, that number doesn't scare me at all. Essentially half your car is getting rust-repaired and painted for that price... but the quote I got to fix this bloody GLI was $1100 just in labor for a front bumper and fender respray... the parts were another $900 but that's a different story.

I want to the get the front redone and a few other areas touched up but I'm just dreading the quote that would inevitably be something absurd like 3-4 grand.

[slater]

You see, that number doesn't scare me at all. Essentially half your car is getting rust-repaired and painted for that price... but the quote I got to fix this bloody GLI was $1100 just in labor for a front bumper and fender respray... the parts were another $900 but that's a different story.

I want to the get the front redone and a few other areas touched up but I'm just dreading the quote that would inevitably be something absurd like 3-4 grand.

a full glass-out respray is like $5-7K. no way a front end respray would be $3-4K...

most body shops charge roughly $300 to paint a bumper.

[BMWCurves]

a full glass-out respray is like $5-7K. no way a front end respray would be $3-4K...

most body shops charge roughly $300 to paint a bumper.

Really? That seems pretty low to me. When I had my trunk resprayed due to my old car being keyed in Philly, it hit my $500 deductible with ease. I forget what the total was but it was not low.

[slater]

Really? That seems pretty low to me. When I had my trunk resprayed due to my old car being keyed in Philly, it hit my $500 deductible with ease. I forget what the total was but it was not low.

weird. that's generally what i've paid for bumper painting since i can remember.

[Vas]

Front end re-spray and rear bumper ran me about $1500 for Imola paint.

[704sw]

Really? That seems pretty low to me. When I had my trunk resprayed due to my old car being keyed in Philly, it hit my $500 deductible with ease. I forget what the total was but it was not low.

My experience with paint is pretty similar. Had to replace the front bumper on my Mazda3 (and repainted fenders + hood for blending). Would've run $3100 without insurance. Granted I didn't "shop around" since insurance footed most of the bill.

[fredo]

$300 for a bumper sounds ok to me. I paid that on 2 different occasions. My bodyshop is probably among the cheapest. The guy doesn't advertise, have website or receptionist. It's only him and one helper.

[slater]

car is back from paint, MTechII kit is on. will post pics tomorrow. looks awesome.

happy easter everyone! :)

[Stigissimo]

car is back from paint, MTechII kit is on. will post pics tomorrow. looks awesome.

happy easter everyone! :)

Win


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[BMWCurves]

car is back from paint, MTechII kit is on. will post pics tomorrow. looks awesome.

happy easter everyone! :)

http://i.imgur.com/FTQydrq.gif

EDIT: It's technically "tomorrow" now.

[ZHPizza]

http://i.imgur.com/FTQydrq.gif

EDIT: It's technically "tomorrow" now.
This is perfect.

Wait what day is it in Canada?

[cakM3]

I want to the get the front redone and a few other areas touched up but I'm just dreading the quote that would inevitably be something absurd like 3-4 grand.

I looked into getting my ZHP touched up (rear quarters, front driver's side A-pillar, bootlid and rear bumper) and was quoted $5k. Haven't done the touch up yet....

Peter, I'm really looking forward to the updated pics of your touring! :thumbsup

[slater]

http://i.imgur.com/FTQydrq.gif

EDIT: It's technically "tomorrow" now.

LOL.



This is perfect.

Wait what day is it in Canada?

LOL.



I looked into getting my ZHP touched up (rear quarters, front driver's side A-pillar, bootlid and rear bumper) and was quoted $5k. Haven't done the touch up yet....

Peter, I'm really looking forward to the updated pics of your touring! :thumbsup

thanks charlie. and wow... i would not use that bodyshop! that's ridiculous. time for a 2nd - and 3rd - quote! :)

[slater]

here are some quickies. the car is dirty, my iPhone lens was linty, and i don't have the right side skirt on because as i was mounting it, i found a rust bubble near the front jack pad that i needed to sand down and protect. which i did tonight.

changes to note:

- rust/scratches/dents fixed and painted
- MTechII bumpers, front lower wheel liners/brake ducts/bumper brackets, fog lights, and side skirt (the other will go on tomorrow)
- BMW Performance grilles (i like them better on japanrot, but still not 100% sure if i'll use them or the stock ones)
- OEM clear front corner lights and side marker lights
- OEM red/clear taillights
- removed '325i' badging - love a clean butt
- Style 68s (ARC-8s will go on when i complete the drivetrain/suspension/brake swap)
- replaced broken front intake/radiator duct

overall i'm happy with it - it looks like a factory euro M Sport, and if i wax and seal the crap out of it, hopefully it will stay looking nice for a long time.

now onto the interior... :cheers

[704sw]

https://media.tenor.co/images/77d692c24e3e97a0bd67a182af4bc211/tenor.gif

And black grilles. Definitely black grilles.

[Stigissimo]

Looking geewwwd!

Can't wait to see it with the apexes


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[BMWCurves]

I swear...

Looks really damn good.

[cakM3]

Your touring looks great in Imola Peter! [emoji1417]


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[ELCID86]

Congrats Peter. Your little redhead is really looking sharp.

[Sockethead]

Looks great! Let the swapping begin!

[ZHPizza]

Your touring looks great in Imola Peter! [emoji1417]


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Japanrot! I snagged this pic when we were up there getting the blue car because I couldn't believe how dark imola looked next to it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170418/8ad646d9ac824490870d962d9304983a.jpg

Looks awesome, Peter! I think I'm back on the no-roof-rails train...or still on said train...I don't remember which train I was on...

[704sw]

Looks awesome, Peter! I think I'm back on the no-roof-rails train...or still on said train...I don't remember which train I was on...
Toot, toot!

Time to use a headlight resto kit on the inner tail lights :biggrin

[ZHPizza]

Time to use a headlight resto kit on the inner tail lights :biggrin

Is that a thing? Mine look all spiderwebbed or something.

And Peter -- I just sat down and looked at the pics again on the computer (instead of phone) and good lord that thing looks awesome. I'm even more pumped for this project than I was 10 minutes ago.

[anandoc]

Can't wait to check out the touring in person at the end of this month :) :)

[slater]

And black grilles. Definitely black grilles.

yeah... time will tell. i like how it looks with the OEM clear corners.



Looking geewwwd!

Can't wait to see it with the apexes

thanks, me too! just saw your updated pics, looking good too! love the 135's on the Touring, especially with PSS meat. :)



I swear...

Looks really damn good.

thanks man. and no, you ain't gettin' it... ;)



Your touring looks great in Imola Peter! [emoji1417]

hardy har, charlie... :)



Congrats Peter. Your little redhead is really looking sharp.

thanks shawn! your turn! :)



Looks great! Let the swapping begin!

thanks rob! the time is nearing... got a few other projects to complete before i pull the sedan into the garage for tear-down. hopefully will be 100% completed a month from now.



Japanrot! I snagged this pic when we were up there getting the blue car because I couldn't believe how dark imola looked next to it.
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Looks awesome, Peter! I think I'm back on the no-roof-rails train...or still on said train...I don't remember which train I was on...

oh man... what a dirty pair. well, it was january...

yeah, i go back and forth about the roof rails. will probably pull them off again to see when the ARC-8s are on.



Toot, toot!

Time to use a headlight resto kit on the inner tail lights :biggrin

yep, that was my first thought after mounting the euro tails and stepping back... it's on my list! :)



Is that a thing? Mine look all spiderwebbed or something.

And Peter -- I just sat down and looked at the pics again on the computer (instead of phone) and good lord that thing looks awesome. I'm even more pumped for this project than I was 10 minutes ago.

ha, thanks dude. :) once the interior is complete, it will look proper. and once the mechanical swap is complete, it will drive as good (probably better) as it looks!



Can't wait to check out the touring in person at the end of this month :) :)

interior should be done by then. :)

[nextelbuddy]

looks so good, great work!

[BMWCurves]

Liking the new sig, Peter.

[ZHPizza]

I was just on beer 3 and thought of the perfect name for this car and you can't say no.

http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pACE3-6904475dt.jpg

[Aeternalis]

Kinda wish you would keep the 68s, but I am a little biased. Haha. Beautiful car.

[hcbeck2689]

Late to the party...
Looks great Peter! Excited to see the swap project.


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[slater]

looks so good, great work!

thanks! lots more work to go - i've barely gotten started. :)



Liking the new sig, Peter.

thanks dude. i'll probably change it. :)



I was just on beer 3 and thought of the perfect name for this car and you can't say no.

http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pACE3-6904475dt.jpg

hahahaha.... i'll take it under consideration. :)

my wife and kids named the tank, maybe they will come up with something for this car.



Kinda wish you would keep the 68s, but I am a little biased. Haha. Beautiful car.

oh, i probably won't sell them - amid a sea of plastidipped and beat-to-hell 68s, mine are minty. i think they look best on Tourings for some reason. but the ARC-8s are going to look killer.



Late to the party...
Looks great Peter! Excited to see the swap project.

thanks holden! that exhaust is finally going to get installed, too! :)

[johnrando]

Car looks great!

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[slater]

Car looks great!

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thanks john! :)

[slater]

so... i've done almost a full tank and i am certainly curious about the aero aid of the MTechII kit, because i'm getting about an extra 75km per tank than before. my driving habits haven't changed. :)

[san]

so... i've done almost a full tank and i am certainly curious about the aero aid of the MTechII kit, because i'm getting about an extra 75km per tank than before. my driving habits haven't changed. :)

What about fuel blend? From winter to summer...


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[cakM3]

you should put OEM M3 side mirrors on your touring Peter.

[Stigissimo]

you should put OEM M3 side mirrors on your touring Peter.

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[704sw]

you should put OEM M3 side mirrors on your touring Peter.

+1.

[slater]

What about fuel blend? From winter to summer...

doubtful around here. it was 34ºF here yesterday morning. and would it make that much difference?



you should put OEM M3 side mirrors on your touring Peter.

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+1.

i dunno - i LOVE they way they look, but

a) they are expensive
b) they are a PITA to mount
c) they have less actual mirror to use

i likely will stick with the OE mirrors unless a set lands in my lap, or a good aftermarket option becomes available.

[slater]

thinking about getting some 18x8.5" ET45 and 18x9.5" ET58 (+ 5mm spacers) apex ARC-8s. if i stick with the stock ZHP springs (and run konis with them), the 18x8.5" ET38 ARC-8s i've got are going to be pretty pokey in the front. and i would love wider meats in the rear, but contained inside the stock arches. would run either 225/40/18 + 255/35/18 PSS, or 235/40/18 + 265/35/18 PSS.

hmmmm.

[san]

doubtful around here. it was 34ºF here yesterday morning. and would it make that much difference?






i dunno - i LOVE they way they look, but

a) they are expensive
b) they are a PITA to mount
c) they have less actual mirror to use

i likely will stick with the OE mirrors unless a set lands in my lap, or a good aftermarket option becomes available.

I usually notice a big difference, sometimes as much as 3 mpg on the highway with cruise control set around 75mph...


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[BMWCurves]

I've never really noticed but supposedly you do get better fuel economy in the summer due to the fuel mixture difference between summer and winter blends.

[anandoc]

I've never really noticed but supposedly you do get better fuel economy in the summer due to the fuel mixture difference between summer and winter blends.

yup, i have seen the same.

[cakM3]

i dunno - i LOVE they way they look, but

a) they are expensive
b) they are a PITA to mount
c) they have less actual mirror to use

i likely will stick with the OE mirrors unless a set lands in my lap, or a good aftermarket option becomes available.

I have a complete set of OEM M3 side mirrors sitting in my garage..... maybe we can work something out :drevil

[slater]

I have a complete set of OEM M3 side mirrors sitting in my garage..... maybe we can work something out :drevil

charlie... you're as bad of an enabler as i am! :)


(sigh.... what are you thinking for a deal? ;))

[cakM3]

charlie... you're as bad of an enabler as i am! :)


(sigh.... what are you thinking for a deal? ;))

Peter, I have been called an enabler from a very good friend of mine ;)

Sent you pm regarding a deal :drevil I'm just sayin your touring would absolutely look bauce with the OEM M3 side mirrors :thumbsup

[anandoc]

charlie... you're as bad of an enabler as i am! :)



Muahahaha karma dude! I agree with Charlie, your wagon would look sickk with the M3 mirrors.

[704sw]

Muahahaha karma dude! I agree with Charlie, your wagon would look sickk with the M3 mirrors.

Agreed. And if anyone stumbles upon a clean set in Jet Black, I might want some (read "I do want some").

[cakM3]

Peter, I think the OEM M3 side mirrors look great on touring :thumbsup

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4155/34119509871_4f3a86f8a2_h.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4165/34119509541_982f856ccc_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4189/34092980742_a5e4f54631_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2871/34119509331_7bc8644d28_h.jpg

They look so right on the E46, but then I'm a little biased :drool

[Sockethead]

Why doesn't that guy behind the wheel have an ear to ear grin ???

[BMWCurves]

Why doesn't that guy behind the wheel have an ear to ear grin ???

Because the fact that BMW only made a concept E46 M3 Touring was a joke, and as we all know, German humor is no laughing matter.

[slater]

Peter, I think the OEM M3 side mirrors look great on touring :thumbsup

They look so right on the E46, but then I'm a little biased :drool

i agree - and while i love the E46M3T concept, here's something a little closer to what it will look like on mine (the rogue S54 Touring):

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Why doesn't that guy behind the wheel have an ear to ear grin ???

Because the fact that BMW only made a concept E46 M3 Touring was a joke, and as we all know, German humor is no laughing matter.

LOL. nice. i'm 25% german.

shut it.

(also 25% british ;) :cheers)



i have spent waaaay too much time staring at and studying those M3 Touring Concept pics. love it.

[cakM3]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170425/b631161f31287717869c627f746ec72a.jpg

This works very well too Peter [emoji1417]


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[Stigissimo]

i agree - and while i love the E46M3T concept, here's something a little closer to what it will look like on mine (the rogue S54 Touring):
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.

"Except I have OEM shadowline, meh meh meh" [emoji19]


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[slater]

"Except I have OEM shadowline, meh meh meh" [emoji19]

hahahahahaha....

black headliner and pillars going in this week. ;) (also ///M dead pedal and M Sport door sills. :))

[BMWCurves]

LOL. nice. i'm 25% german.

shut it.

As am I, mein freund.


(also 25% british ;) :cheers)

http://i.imgur.com/0vLjJef.gif


hahahahahaha....

black headliner and pillars going in this week. ;) (also ///M dead pedal and M Sport door sills. :))

Gonna look so damn good.

[slater]

As am I, mein freund.



http://i.imgur.com/0vLjJef.gif

cool, and, ha...

i'm also french, italian and irish. :) (aka, mutt)



Gonna look so damn good.

ayep, she dun gonna look purty good!

[BMWCurves]

From one mutt to another (German, Swedish, Japanese, Ukrainian): :cheers

[704sw]

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Oh my drool...dude you have to do the mirrors.