the DW/DWS have soft sidewalls. that'll definitely make them feel less stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave1027
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the DW/DWS have soft sidewalls. that'll definitely make them feel less stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave1027
peter
Can the people that have the Michelin AS3 chime in and give their reviews? Is it worth the extra money over the DWS or other all season tires? How do they when they are not brand new and have some miles on them?
How do they compare to the grip of a a max performance summer tire?
Tirerack has an article about the top 4 high performance tires below
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=177
I'm still on the original potenzas , looking to upgrade to Michelin supersports. Are they any good?
Original as in 9 years old? Yes, there is huge difference
I was pretty amazed at them this winter. I was driving through 3 inches of snow on the road at times without getting stuck. Even at dead stops with small mounds of snow from snow plows did I still not get stuck. I seriously drove through every snow storm at its peak this winter in northern jersey and never got stuck. I slipped about, had a bit of trouble at times, but as long as dsc was off and I was careful, I was fine. For all seasons you cannot go wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by BimmerRules!
Now it's about time to see how they do in warm and dry conditions. I'm sick of the snow!
I've been running Conti Extreme Contact DWS's on the 4-Motion awd R32 for the last 27,000 miles over 30 months and have been extremely satisfied with them, except that they are now at 4/32's and need to be replaced short of the expected 50k miles on the warranty. Bummer that, but I'll admit to running this car harder than I ought to since while the sport tuned suspension is sublime on dry surfaces, it's in the snow and wet that it really comes to life. In the past I've run with the stock Dunlops, Goodyear F1 Eagle and finally the Conti's and right now I'm ruminating on trying something different.
In looking at replacements the Pilot A/S 3's are at the top of the list, so those of you that have had more than a few months worth of stints on them please provide your latest impression. I'm particularly looking for those that have experience in the snow since it's very possible IN could experience more record snowfalls in the future such as the 57 inches we received this past winter.
Need some advice, fellas. Hit a crazy pothole, one tire is ruined. Need to replace both fronts now.
I don't need all seasons. I'm looking for a summer tire that can also handle some rain in the winter.
What can you guys recommend me in the $120-$180 dollar range per tire at stock sizes? Also, you guys think it's work going with a wider tire, like 235?
I'm looking for the most performance possible from the tires.
I love my Bridgestone potenza s04. Tirerack tested them in their performance summer category and they came second behind pilot sports.
They look like a great tire, and pricing aint bad. What do you think of going up to 235?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vas
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I was considering it as well. But only if the front rim is wider.
Did you end you going with a wider front tire? I need to replace all 4, and was considering this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avetiso
I went with 235s. I like it, but I would want to go even wider. Now that I have square wheels, I wish I had 265 square.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFinanceGuy
Go as wide as your wheels will allow, IMO.
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IMO I would not run a 265 or even a 255 on the front due to the tendency of the front of the car to annoyingly begin to track steer. Plus the turn-in feel begins to suffer and with that much tire with the factory alignment specs, understeer will just be brutal
Derek has 255 square and loves it. Says turn in is fantastic. :dunnoQuote:
Originally Posted by Vas
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Thanks. Lots to consider...
But Derek is not on stock suspension/factory alignment specs IIRCQuote:
Originally Posted by Avetiso
Right. OP, stock suspension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vas
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He also dailys a prius and uses the ZHP as his toy. I ran 255 up front and hated it on the daily grind. Car tramlined like a bee with an itch.. For track/auto-x yeah I would run 255 or 245 square, for DD use 225 up front is MORE than enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avetiso
Square 245 or 235/255 would be ideal IMO
Yokohama YK580's. Pretty happy with these so far. Rides good, handling good and they are quite.
http://www.discounttire.com/infoyoko...hamayk580.html
TireRack is having a closeout sale on the Hankook V12 Evos. Keep in mind they are a "summer" tire though.
I grabbed some 255/35 for the rear, you can't beat that priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike V
I had dinner last night with a buddy of mine who owns a wheel/tire/brake shop. He just got back from a trip to the Michelin facility in Greenville. He raved about the new AS3s. They put AS3s on a stock Camry, and some generic Chinese performance tires on a new 3 Series. He said the Camry ran circles around the BMW.
The A/S 3 is the best all season tire I've ever driven IMO. I just ordered a set for my 335...in 19".... :shifty
I am still on Bridgestone S04 on my zhp however just had installed a full set of Conti Extreme Contact DW that replaced the Conti DWS all seasons on the wife's zhp. Let's see what these tires are like.
i've heard the conti DW/DWS have really soft sidewalls.
michelin pilot super sport for me. hands down.
peter
With the DWS they did have a soft-sidewall but those are the All-Season tires and the DW are strictly summer tires. Pilots are nice but were soo much more expensive that it is not worth it.
how much more?
personally, after driving on so many sets of tires - the PSS (clarifying here that we are both talking about the super sports) are worth the extra money, to me. i'm a frugal guy, but the PSS are worth it to me - aside from the performance, they are excellent in the rain, long-lasting and have a great warranty.
peter
Pilot Super Sports are most definitely not long lasting. They are amazing in every single way except longevity. People seem to get like 15K out of them. Has anyone been able to double that, or get more than that? Please chime in!Quote:
Originally Posted by slater
So far I'm about 15K in on my Bridgestone S-04's. The rears were worn down quite a bit but that was because I forgot to rotate them (I run a squared setup). I rotated them to the front and expect to get another 10K out of these tires before they start to cord. Only time will tell how far I can go...
i ran my last set on my A4 for roughly 16K miles and they were still at 7/32"... (10/32" is what they are new). they have a 30K mile treadwear warranty.
lots of folks complain about tire wear, but also have no idea about the state of their alignment, bushings, tire pressure, etc!
peter
Yeah but that's a different car. I'm specifically referring to the ZHP.Quote:
Originally Posted by slater
it's still a car rolling down the road with the same tires, almost exactly the same weight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by az3579
if your ZHP was properly set up, and you had a square setup and rotated tires... why should your results not be similar?
peter
With probably a lot less negative camber...Quote:
Originally Posted by slater
This makes a huge difference. If it wasn't for the camber on my car, I'd probably be able to squeeze an extra 10k out of them on top of what I get with them now.
A full set of Conti's ran me $650 mounted and balanced. Tirerack has Pilot sports for $832 and then add on the shipping and mounting. That is a significant price difference.
Pilot Sports with the factory wheel set-up and suspension settings usually last for 15k or maybe a little bit more for a zhp. I would have loved to buy some but my wife would never see the full benefit of them on a car that is a daily driver.
The price was exactly the reason I went with the S-04's over the Pilot Super Sports. The S-04's were very close to the PSS' in pretty much all of Tire Rack's tests, but the price of the PSS was significantly more. They aren't that much better to have to pay at least a couple of hundred more for a set, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vas
well, how is your camber set on your car now that it's lowered?Quote:
Originally Posted by az3579
our A4 was lowered a little on ST coilovers, i ran -1.7º of camber up front and -0.8º on the rear. i had very even wear.
agreed on the wife bit. probably a good choice, then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vas
to me, it's worth a couple hundred for the confidence, because buying tires you've never tried before is almost always a crapshoot... i have wanted to try the S-04's, but they are kinda heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by az3579
the only other tire i have been interested in trying is the bfgoodrich g-force sport comp-2. they have been getting excellent reviews, especially from the porsche folks, and the price looks great - almost good enough to take the gamble if they aren't awesome, could always resell them.
also, both the that tire and the PSS are made in the US, which helps me when i bring them over the border (no duty to pay! :) ).
peter
Dang. I paid $900 for the ZHP- mounted and balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vas
I'm in the PSS camp. My target is 2 years on set. That is summer (Apr - Oct) plus 12 - 16 track days. The 245 square setup looks like it will easily meet this goal. However one track blistered the outside edge. Problem is the track surface. Not the tire. Happened to many drivers regardless of tire brand. My PSS actually looked much better than others.
Like Peter I will pay a little more for the benefits of the Michelin. Car has bone stock suspension. Only mod is I knocked the crashed pins out of the amber plates for a bit more negative camber.
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Pss is the belle of the ball in the summer tire category for daily use, hands down. Guys autoX these tired extremely well too. If you see a track frequently probably worth going up to next category of extreme summer performance but for most that's overkill.
Nothing wrong with the Conti DW summers either. No they aren't the prom queen but man they are definitely her just slightly less attractive yet much easier to get with best friend. Nothing wrong with that. ;)
:roflQuote:
Originally Posted by UdubBadger
Yeah, I'd agree. Most of the people here that argue for or against PSS probably will never use them to their full potential either way. I see no point is spending a few hundred more for performance I'll rarely ever use, even on an M3 vs. my ZHP. If you are serious about track, the actual smart move is getting a dedicated set of track wheels.
I loved my S-04. Grip was amazing relative to anything else I've tried, but I have never tried the PSS.
I'll probably get some DWs or S-04 next time around. Not going to splurge on something I don't need.