Your favorite DD tires

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Originally Posted by Avetiso

:If you are serious about track, the actual smart move is getting a dedicated set of track wheels.

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It all depends on your objective. I'm serious about the track. It is "my time." Others golf, fish, hunt or whatever. I go to the track. That said I'm past needing to be the fastest. I don't want to lug another set of wheels and tires to the track. When I did that I often ended up swapping my street tires back on when it got wet because I wasn't going to run r-comps.

These days I want to arrive and drive as much as possible. Also not having to spend as much time on my car at the track allows me to concentrate more on my students and just hang out.

There are many excellent tires available these days at multiple price points.

t.

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Originally Posted by tkundhi

It all depends on your objective. I'm serious about the track. It is "my time." Others golf, fish, hunt or whatever. I go to the track. That said I'm past needing to be the fastest. I don't want to lug another set of wheels and tires to the track. When I did that I often ended up swapping my street tires back on when it got wet because I wasn't going to run r-comps.

These days I want to arrive and drive as much as possible. Also not having to spend as much time on my car at the track allows me to concentrate more on my students and just hang out.

There are many excellent tires available these days at multiple price points.

t.

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All very good points. It's one reasons why I got tired of autocrossing. I got tired of switching tires every morning, putting all that work into it, for not very much seat time. I found that I wasted a lot of time "preparing" when I could've been hanging out having a good time.

I still swap tires for the track, but I wouldn't really have much time to hang out anyway considering the frequency of class and track time. Besides, I didn't want to run into a situation where my tires get trashed and can't get home; the closest track is over an hour away, and I'll find myself at faraway tracks more frequently in the coming seasons.

BP, I went through a similar cycle. My friends and I travel for our track time. We are smack dab in the middle of the country. The closest track is a shithole and I haven't driven it in the past 3 or 4 years. We drive to many hours to visit tracks. We drove to Austin the last two years for the BMW event at COTA. We are trying to put together a week long trip that would take us to the east coast (VIR). We think we can hit 3 or 4 other tracks on the way there.

I'm really looking forward to this Sat. A group of us are doing a private event with some Corvette guys. At last count we'll have 5 ZHPs there. Should be interesting.

t.

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Originally Posted by az3579

All very good points. It's one reasons why I got tired of autocrossing. I got tired of switching tires every morning, putting all that work into it, for not very much seat time. I found that I wasted a lot of time "preparing" when I could've been hanging out having a good time.

I still swap tires for the track, but I wouldn't really have much time to hang out anyway considering the frequency of class and track time. Besides, I didn't want to run into a situation where my tires get trashed and can't get home; the closest track is over an hour away, and I'll find myself at faraway tracks more frequently in the coming seasons.

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I usually bring my stock 135 set in the back seat just in case I need to drive home on them.


I have to say, I'm definitely looking into some Continental DW for replacement tires on the ZHP rims. They are significantly cheaper than the PSS and I don't need that great of handling tire since I have better tires on my track set.

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Originally Posted by derbo

I usually bring my stock 135 set in the back seat just in case I need to drive home on them.


I have to say, I'm definitely looking into some Continental DW for replacement tires on the ZHP rims. They are significantly cheaper than the PSS and I don't need that great of handling tire since I have better tires on my track set.

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i don't understand you guys - "i don't need that great of handling", even on the street. man, EVERY time i am behind the wheel, i don't care if i'm going to the grocery store or a backroad blast, i want a dang good set of tires underneath me. maybe y'all aren't as sensitive as i am. :)

peter

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Originally Posted by slater

i don't understand you guys - "i don't need that great of handling", even on the street. man, EVERY time i am behind the wheel, i don't care if i'm going to the grocery store or a backroad blast, i want a dang good set of tires underneath me. maybe y'all aren't as sensitive as i am. :)

peter

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Peter, I think you are missing the point here slightly. Pliots are not the only good set of tires out there and the S04 or the Conti DW are just as good on a street driven car.

A little update on the DW. It has been raining here the past week and the Conti are showing their capability in the rain and standing water. Even the wife stated how much she is liking them in the rain.

As far as a comparison between the S04 and the DW, the bridgestone are more on the harsher side with the stiffer sidewall versus the Conti DW. But its not drastic or bad.

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Originally Posted by Vas

Peter, I think you are missing the point here slightly. Pliots are not the only good set of tires out there and the S04 or the Conti DW are just as good on a street driven car.

A little update on the DW. It has been raining here the past week and the Conti are showing their capability in the rain and standing water. Even the wife stated how much she is liking them in the rain.

As far as a comparison between the S04 and the DW, the bridgestone are more on the harsher side with the stiffer sidewall versus the Conti DW. But its not drastic or bad.

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i'm sorry if i'm coming off as being arrogant here. :) different strokes for different folks!

peter

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Originally Posted by slater

i don't understand you guys - "i don't need that great of handling", even on the street. man, EVERY time i am behind the wheel, i don't care if i'm going to the grocery store or a backroad blast, i want a dang good set of tires underneath me. maybe y'all aren't as sensitive as i am. :)

peter

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To that I would have responded...

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Originally Posted by Vas

Peter, I think you are missing the point here slightly. Pliots are not the only good set of tires out there and the S04 or the Conti DW are just as good on a street driven car.

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Precisely my point. The Pilot Super Sports are wasted on the street, IMO, as you would never be able to use the extra traction they provide over the 2nd or 3rd best tires in the category. As a result, I don't see the point of paying hundreds more for a set, hence why I settled for the S04's. *Almost* as much grip and performance as the PSS, but hundreds less a set when I bought mine. Win.

And so far, they are proving to have better tire life than PSS' mounted on other peoples' cars. Hard to compare different cars though.

Needless to say, really really cheap tires aren't worth it because the performance difference between those and the tires we're talking about is HUGE. These tires are so close that the only way to tell the difference other than noise, comfort, and tread life, is to take them to the absolute limit.

Good points are made about DD tire choice. However, to say something is a waste on the street is making assumptions about how one perceives value. The same logic applies to suspension or other performance upgrades. I now have PSS and they are stunningly good, wet or dry. The extra $200 a set they cost over the DW is not significant since they will last me for a few years (I use snows in the winter). I agree that the DW is a good choice and we are all fortunate for how tire technology has advanced.

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Originally Posted by Vas

Peter, I think you are missing the point here slightly. Pliots are not the only good set of tires out there and the S04 or the Conti DW are just as good on a street driven car.

A little update on the DW. It has been raining here the past week and the Conti are showing their capability in the rain and standing water. Even the wife stated how much she is liking them in the rain.

As far as a comparison between the S04 and the DW, the bridgestone are more on the harsher side with the stiffer sidewall versus the Conti DW. But its not drastic or bad.

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I've noticed same in similar conditions this week on my DW's. Even at low temps of 45-50 deg

I just bit the bullet and threw a set of Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s on. The ride is much smoother, but I also feel like the pickup isn't as good as my previous set (can't remember what I came from at the moment). Am I just imagining things?

I also noticed they put 215/40/ZR18 on the front..would this make a real difference?

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Originally Posted by usinjin

I just bit the bullet and threw a set of Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s on. The ride is much smoother, but I also feel like the pickup isn't as good as my previous set (can't remember what I came from at the moment). Am I just imagining things?

I also noticed they put 215/40/ZR18 on the front..would this make a real difference?

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It's a fairly heavy tire. I was deeply saddened by how much going to the A/S 3's (from the older model A/S+) hurt the performance of my last ZHP.

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Originally Posted by ZHPizza

It's a fairly heavy tire. I was deeply saddened by how much going to the A/S 3's (from the older model A/S+) hurt the performance of my last ZHP.

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Good to know--they do make the car feel a little heavier and more sluggish--I did notice tirerack offering the conti DW's for closeout prices, tempting. Are they a lighter tire?

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Originally Posted by usinjin

I just bit the bullet and threw a set of Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s on. The ride is much smoother, but I also feel like the pickup isn't as good as my previous set (can't remember what I came from at the moment). Am I just imagining things?

I also noticed they put 215/40/ZR18 on the front..would this make a real difference?

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yes, that is the wrong size. you want 225/40/18. i would bring them back and have them fix their error. what did they put on the rear?

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Originally Posted by ZHPizza

It's a fairly heavy tire. I was deeply saddened by how much going to the A/S 3's (from the older model A/S+) hurt the performance of my last ZHP.

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really? the PSS and A/S 3/+ are generally pretty light tires... 225/40/18 PSS is 22lbs.

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Originally Posted by slater

yes, that is the wrong size. you want 225/40/18. i would bring them back and have them fix their error. what did they put on the rear?

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Rears are correct, 255/35ZR18. Would that affect the pickup at all? I suddenly feel like I'm driving a Crown Vic :p

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Originally Posted by usinjin

Good to know--they do make the car feel a little heavier and more sluggish--I did notice tirerack offering the conti DW's for closeout prices, tempting. Are they a lighter tire?

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Yeah the DW and DWS are usually a few pounds lighter than the Michelins. You can check the individual weights on tirerack. What did you have on it before?

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Originally Posted by slater

really? the PSS and A/S 3/+ are generally pretty light tires... 225/40/18 PSS is 22lbs.

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Back in 2013 I replaced the older generation A/S+ with the [then] new A/S 3 and the car felt horribly bogged down. I don't know what the weight gain was between the generations, but it was noticeable.

If I were going to buy all seasons today then I would probably go with the DWS06 for the weight savings. That additional mass so far from the axis of rotation is killer.

I loved my Pilot Sport AS3s (the older model) on my TDI. I put 55k miles on it, and they still have 5/32nd on them. They handled rain and grips fairly well for an 3-season tire.

I'm currently on Michelin PSS on my ZHP and I love them. Great for rain, and grip is decent for a summer tire. I'm about 6000 miles in 1.5 months and tires still looking great. :)

Wait a second, do you mean you drove 55K miles on one set of AS3 ? :dunno

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Originally Posted by fredo

Wait a second, do you mean you drove 55K miles on one set of AS3 ? :dunno

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It is possible on an all season tire if you rotate them quite regularly. I have dws06 tires on my Zhp and I've done about 30k miles on them and I may still get a atleast another 5k miles from the rears and the fronts are only worn about half. I think Dane is close to 50k miles on his dws tires which he rotates since he has a square set up...


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Originally Posted by san

It is possible on an all season tire if you rotate them quite regularly. I have dws06 tires on my Zhp and I've done about 30k miles on them and I may still get a atleast another 5k miles from the rears and the fronts are only worn about half. I think Dane is close to 50k miles on his dws tires which he rotates since he has a square set up...


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I got 40k out of my set of DWS tires a few years back. That included daily driving and 3 track days.
They were definitely due for replacement by the time I was done with 'em, so I maxxed them out.

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Originally Posted by az3579

I got 40k out of my set of DWS tires a few years back. That included daily driving and 3 track days.
They were definitely due for replacement by the time I was done with 'em, so I maxxed them out.

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40k miles with 3 tack days is awesome! I'm not sure if I can get to 40k with my rear tires, but I can still see the D and W on the tread so the tires still have some life left in them. Il be happy if I get anything more than 35k miles...


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Originally Posted by fredo

Wait a second, do you mean you drove 55K miles on one set of AS3 ? :dunno

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Yup, rotated every 5k miles.