Maybe via OBD, but not on OBC.
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Maybe via OBD, but not on OBC.
Oli- Good idea by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanneba
I think we should list important info like shanneba did above. There are several factors that could affect the temp reading. Such as:
-Water wetter
-Ambient air temp
-Radiator-Stock or aftermarket
-Water pump- Stock or Stewart etc.
-Pulleys- Stock or Under driven
-Electric fan- Manual
-Manual fan- Auto
-Tstat- OEM or Alum etc.
I will test mine later and post the info.
Sent from my 1982 Commodore 64.
They can - all E46s have the same oil temp sensor as the e46 m3. But the cluster doesn't report it in the non-M cars. You can read it through the OBD2 port though.
I don't think oil pressure can be read
so what is the ideal operating temp for the ZHP? 95 degrees C?
WOLFN8TR: 90
Stock everything except ESC Aluminum water pump pulley. Outside air temp 84.
Sent from my 1982 Commodore 64.
Numbers are in Celsius, once plateau is reached.
Oli77 [2005 2.5L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Danewilson77 [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Telijah [2001 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 88 (suspects open T-stat)
edlvrt [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
MrMaico [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1]: 96
Spencers [2001 2.5L M54 DME-MS43] : 90
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 91 (old T-stat)
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95 (new T-stat)
derbo [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
GT172I [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
shanneba [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 89 (running water wetter and stewart pump)
Hochspannung [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 87 that's the outlier, unless these are the M car values.
Kayger12 [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
RITmusic2k [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 83 T-stat work ongoing
terraphantm [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Hermes: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
328ioc: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
WOLFN8TR:[2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 90
Thanks for the data point Woln8tr.
Looks like you and Hochspannung are on the low side (for 3 L engine running mostly stock).
Thanks BTW.
Now we need ritmusik2K and telijah to report updates.
More people answer this, moar data...
Attachment 3940
Moar data.
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Numbers are in Celsius, once plateau is reached.
Oli77 [2005 2.5L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Danewilson77 [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Telijah [2001 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 88 (suspects open T-stat)
edlvrt [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
MrMaico [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1]: 96
Spencers [2001 2.5L M54 DME-MS43] : 90
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 91 (old T-stat)
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95 (new T-stat)
derbo [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
GT172I [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
shanneba [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 89 (running water wetter and stewart pump)
Hochspannung [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 87 that's the outlier, unless these are the M car values.
Kayger12 [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
RITmusic2k [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 83 T-stat work ongoing
terraphantm [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Hermes: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
328ioc: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
WOLFN8TR:[2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 90
pip: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 97
Thanks Pip, Keep'em comin'
That's a high!
Sent from SIGFest USA
I agree :( Stock everything, but I'm thinking of doing a drain/fill of the coolant since it most likely hasn't been done in a long while. Think it'll help??Quote:
Originally Posted by danewilson77
I think a new T-Stat would help.
added mineQuote:
Originally Posted by Oli77
Numbers are in Celsius, once plateau is reached.
Oli77 [2005 2.5L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Danewilson77 [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Telijah [2001 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 88 (suspects open T-stat)
edlvrt [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
MrMaico [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1]: 96
Spencers [2001 2.5L M54 DME-MS43] : 90
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 91 (old T-stat)
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95 (new T-stat)
derbo [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
GT172I [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
shanneba [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 89 (running water wetter and stewart pump)
Hochspannung [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 87 that's the outlier, unless these are the M car values.
Kayger12 [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
RITmusic2k [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 83 T-stat work ongoing
terraphantm [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Hermes: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
328ioc: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
WOLFN8TR:[2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 90
pip: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 97
Johnrando: [2006 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 94
Not so sure Pip is that far off the norm.
Yeah. You're right. I was comparing him to the 90 above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oli77
Sent from SIGFest USA
Ya, I wouldn't be at all concerned about 97 degrees PIP.
I still haven't had the opportunity to do any work - honestly I don't expect to have the chance any time soon. But I do have updated numbers to provide - checked again yesterday on a whim. It was a colder day than the first time I tested, and I wasn't driving quite as spiritedly as I was before, but my temp got up to 87°C at a stop light. As soon as I started moving again it dropped back to 85 or so, but it's still marginally better than it was last time.
98 still with coolant leak.
Mine is at 95, 65mph on highway in 6th gear is goes to 93. 2004 6MT
Ok here is something weird, since doing this my gas door will not stay shut. WTF!
Attachment 3998
Apparently when I got to 19.0 I hit the "Unlock" functions in range 3-8 but can't get it to go back.
HELP......
Hold Trip Reset while turning ignition key to on position
OBC should show "Test"
Use Trip Reset to select function 19.0 that unlocks all the features
Wait for display to show "Off"
Depress Trip Reset for 1/4 second and release it
With no delay press Trip Reset several times to select one of the following function s
BMW E46 On-Board Computer (OBC) Hidden Codes
nr example description
1 Car Engine and cluster data
1.0 46nnn Chassis nr/VIN serial number (last 5 digits)
1.1 4nnn K-number
1.2 690236 Cluster Part #
1.3 045210 Coding (04)/diagnosis (52)/bus index (10)
1.4 1200 Week (12)/year of manufacture (2000)
1.5 09_160 Hardware (09) and software # (16.0) of cluster
1.6 Not used
1.7 04__44 CAN-version (04) KI-revision index (44)
2 (test) Cluster System Test - Activates the gauge drivers,
indicators and LEDs to confirm function
3 SI Data
3.0 1098 Used fuel in liters since last SI (Service Inspection)
3.1 0231 Periodic inspection days; elapsed days (since last SI)
4 Momentary Consumption
4.0 0145+ Instant fuel consumption - 0145=14.5 liters/100km
4.1 0018 Instant fuel consumption - 0018=1.8 l/Hour
5 Distance Gone Consumption
5.0 082 Average mileage; 082=8.2 liters/100km
5.1 0536 Calc. km to refuel (momentary distance to go)
6 Fuel Level sensor inputs in liters
6.0 109330+ Fuel level averaged; Left half sensor input=10.9 liters; Right sensor input=33.0 liters
6.1 0439+ Total tank level averaged; vlgs 6.0: 10.9+33.0=43.9 liters
6.2 0442+ Indicated value (44.2) and tank phase
7 Temperature and Speed
7.0 021+ Coolant/Engine temperature (2.1C)
7.1 130 Ambient/Outside temperature - chg met 5 pts. 125/130/135
7.2 + Engine speed / Current RPMs 1/min
7.3 + Vehicle speed / Current Speed in km/hour
8 Input value in HEX form
8.0 1d0+ System voltage ADC-Value Hex code
8.1 26C33C+ ADC Values HG left/HG right
8.2 0000 ADC Value brake degradation sensor (000=o.k.)
8.3 18C ADC Value outside temperature
9 Battery
9.0 140 Battery Voltage - 140 = UB 14.0v
9.1 242013+?
9.2 074_78+?
9.3 0011+?
10 Not used
11 Not used
12 Not used
13 GonG Gong Test
14 Not used
15 Status cluster I/O-ports (bit codes) 0=low; 1=high
1st-belt contact, seat belt fastened=0; 2) ignition lock contact, key inserted=0; 3) door contact, door open=0; 4) clock button pressed=0; 5) SI reset=0, for reset=0; 6) EGS transmission failure=0
Status Digital Outputs (bits) 0=inactive, 1=active
1) Gong output; 2) Brake warning lamp; 3) Low fuel warning lamp; 4) EGA lamp; 5) seat belt lamp; 6) manipulation dot
16 Not used
17 Not used
18 Not used
19 Lock Status; unlocks functions in range 3-18
19.0 L-On/L-Off Unlock: press button when "L-Off"
20 Not used
21 Software Reset; reset OBC settings
00 End of test!
^ + 1, New mod! Causes a nice rooster tail when going >500 mph!
Numbers are in Celsius, once plateau is reached.
Oli77 [2005 2.5L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Danewilson77 [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Telijah [2001 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 88 (suspects open T-stat)
edlvrt [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
MrMaico [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1]: 96
Spencers [2001 2.5L M54 DME-MS43] : 90
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 91 (old T-stat)
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95 (new T-stat)
derbo [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
GT172I [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
shanneba [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 89 (running water wetter and stewart pump)
Hochspannung [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 87 that's the outlier, unless these are the M car values.
Kayger12 [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
RITmusic2k [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 83 T-stat work ongoing
terraphantm [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Hermes: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
328ioc: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
WOLFN8TR:[2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 90
pip: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 97
Johnrando: [2006 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 94
Meric: [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 98
Nivo: [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
Bump for newcomers.
Wolf, did you gas door start to behave eventually?
Ya it's all good now. Just needed lubed was all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oli77
High of 95 cel. At 65mph on a 98 degree (f) day. Would drop down to 93 or 92 sometimes but seemed to really like 94 the most.
Numbers are in Celsius, once plateau is reached.
Oli77 [2005 2.5L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Danewilson77 [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Telijah [2001 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 88 (suspects open T-stat)
edlvrt [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
MrMaico [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1]: 96
Spencers [2001 2.5L M54 DME-MS43] : 90
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 91 (old T-stat)
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95 (new T-stat)
derbo [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
GT172I [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
shanneba [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 89 (running water wetter and stewart pump)
Hochspannung [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 87 that's the outlier, unless these are the M car values.
Kayger12 [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
RITmusic2k [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 83 T-stat work ongoing
terraphantm [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Hermes: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
328ioc: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
WOLFN8TR:[2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 90
pip: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 97
Johnrando: [2006 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 94
Meric: [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 98
Nivo: [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
NorCalZman: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 94
Just checked mine tonight almost ran a stop sign and managed to reset my odometer but then got it figured out. It fluctuates a little but 95 most of the time
Bump
Feel like a bump.
I had some odd behavior recently. I was stuck in stop and go 5mph traffic for over and hour last weekend. Also, It was really hot outside. Randomly my temp dropped down to the low to mid 80s and stayed there until I sped up. Then when I hit stop and go again for awhile it dropped down again. I have not ever been in traffic like this before so I wonder if this is programmed behavior if some part of the engine is getting too hot? My entire cooling system is brand new (except the sensor in the lower hose. I reused that).
This is normal behavior and partly why BMW makes the needle sit in one spot from 75C-113C. The engine normally runs around 96-98C for maximum efficiency. To avoid overheating if the engine load suddenly increases, the DME can activate a heating element on the thermostat (that connector on top of it) to increase coolant flow. The FSM has a detailed explanation on the Characteristic Map Thermostat, and it's behaviors.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalZman
In the conditions you were driving it in, chances are it was either creeping past the activation threshold, or the load on the engine changed while it was at operating temperature. It takes my car a few seconds for the temp to drop, so that's probably why it seems random. When I was driving around in Palm Springs in the summer, the car would drop from 96-98C to high 80C whenever I stopped and started moving again.
If you want to watch it work, try this: Drive at a steady speed on the freeway once the temp is stable. Floor it for a few seconds in 6th and you should see the temperature drop. After some more steady cruising, it should creep back up to normal.
Yes, this is why the needle on the gauge doesn't move but the OBC shows correct temperature.Quote:
Originally Posted by hgrunt
Since I've corrected my temperature gauge to show actual temp (middle is between 90-100deg C), I see this behavior often when I downshift to third and let it rip. Whenever the speeds are elevated and the RPMs go up, the temperature drops. On the track my needle will go down as far as the 1/4 mark sometimes (the line before the middle), then it'll go back up to middle once I'm at a steady speed or back in the paddock.Quote:
If you want to watch it work, try this: Drive at a steady speed on the freeway once the temp is stable. Floor it for a few seconds in 6th and you should see the temperature drop. After some more steady cruising, it should creep back up to normal.
I still don't think BMW should program it to show 75-110 in the middle. They should have just advised owners that it would fluctuate depending on load and temperature. Of course, this doesn't matter anymore since everything is electronic and there no longer are coolant temperature gauges in the new BMWs.
And Welcome H- Grunt!Quote:
Originally Posted by hgrunt
Not sure if you have or not Hgrunt, but please introduce yourself and your car in our New Members Section. And, welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by ELCID86
Finally did this.
OtterEffect: [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 93
Does this count? :biggrin
2003 MS45.1, -5°C. That's what you call a cold start.
Attachment 16855
Whammy [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Taken from Torque.
Numbers are in Celsius, once plateau is reached.
Oli77 [2005 2.5L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Danewilson77 [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Telijah [2001 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 88 (suspects open T-stat)
edlvrt [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
MrMaico [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1]: 96
Spencers [2001 2.5L M54 DME-MS43] : 90
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 91 (old T-stat)
LivesNearCostco [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95 (new T-stat)
derbo [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
GT172I [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
shanneba [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS43] : 89 (running water wetter and stewart pump)
Hochspannung [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 87 that's the outlier, unless these are the M car values.
Kayger12 [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
RITmusic2k [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 83 T-stat work ongoing
terraphantm [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 95
Hermes: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
328ioc: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
WOLFN8TR:[2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 90
pip: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 97
Johnrando: [2006 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 94
Meric: [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 98
Nivo: [2004 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 95
NorCalZman: [2005 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 94
Blaster3500: [2007 335i ? dudes in the know can fill this in please] = 95
OtterEffect: [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] = 93
Whammy [2003 3.0L M54 DME-MS45.1] : 96
Keeping it clean.
Gawd!Quote:
Originally Posted by alexandre
I FINALLY got my cooling system overhauled and the new thermostat installed. Sure enough, she's operating exactly as she should now... I'm seeing temperatures snap up to 95º within minutes and then it stays right there. I've already noticed my city MPG has gone up by a good 2MPG.
Hi Riker! Good to see you in the old temperature thread. And thanks for the bump!