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11-10-2013, 09:31 AM
Johal E32

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Originally Posted by derbo

Normal wear and tear. Definitely looks terrible. :(

I haven't driven the car yet. LOL. I will let you know. However as Kyle would start to mention, too much stiffness can cause more under steer. I am running 3 degrees of camber up front and 2.2 in the rear. This in part may allow the sway bars to be stiffer than a less aggressive camber setup. I'm also setting up the car with the inclusion of my LSD. With an open differential, it may be too stiff up front as well.

Thanks man. I'll shoot them an email while the seat is still out and see what they can quote me. Hopefully it's not an arm and a leg.

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Should be reasonable. He did the headliner in my Dads and I (father son project) Lincoln. Only charged $235 and did an amazing job.
11-10-2013, 09:33 AM
johnrando

Let us know how the fix goes. Wonder if they'd have to do the whole seat?
11-10-2013, 11:14 AM
derbo

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Originally Posted by QC_ZHP

Good info, I'm scheduled for an alignment in a week. I'm thinking of going around ~1.4 up front and 2.1 out back. Please stop rubbing the LSD in our faces:jealous:

I have to. :rofl. Why so little up front and so much out back? i would keep the front higher than the rear or equal for handling. Also set front toe to zero and maybe 3/16" toeIN in the rear.

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Originally Posted by Johal E32

Should be reasonable. He did the headliner in my Dads and I (father son project) Lincoln. Only charged $235 and did an amazing job.

Thats good to hear. I'm a little worried about the seat being costly though if he has to replace the whole seat cover.

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Originally Posted by johnrando

Let us know how the fix goes. Wonder if they'd have to do the whole seat?

I hope not, but I would like the holes to look like they were never there. The fabric I would like to look similar in age to the rest of it, if it is redone. It would look funny if the whole car alcantara is aged and then suddenly my driver seat is magically perfect and new.
11-12-2013, 07:28 AM
echo46

How did the headliner turn out.
11-12-2013, 11:58 AM
LivesNearCostco

Maybe to be more like stock--more neg camber in back than front to promote understeer for safety?

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Originally Posted by derbo

I have to. :rofl. Why so little up front and so much out back? i would keep the front higher than the rear or equal for handling. Also set front toe to zero and maybe 3/16" toeIN in the rear.
11-12-2013, 12:01 PM
Avetiso

Derek, check the SF meet thread, please. :) I want to see that black beauty there if at all possible!
11-12-2013, 12:10 PM
QC_ZHP

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Originally Posted by derbo

I have to. :rofl. Why so little up front and so much out back? i would keep the front higher than the rear or equal for handling. Also set front toe to zero and maybe 3/16" toeIN in the rear.

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Originally Posted by LivesNearCostco

Maybe to be more like stock--more neg camber in back than front to promote understeer for safety?

Those are just the numbers I've came up with in my 'research'. I'm all ears though if someone sees improvements. The car is primarily a DD, but lets just say I take the backroads home every day, so I'm looking for a good balance of performance and practicality. It should see some track time next season, as soon I stop spending all my disposable income on mods/maintenance!
11-12-2013, 01:32 PM
LivesNearCostco

-1.4 front and -2.1 rear seem like pretty close to stock sport settings and should give you good handling. I think stock is around -1.2 front -2.0 rear? But the E46 is designed to understeer at the limit with stock setup: staggered tires, less front camber, low front spring rates, etc. Derek is looking for balanced handling where all 4 wheels will start to slide at the same time when he's at the limit, so he can do an awesome 4-wheel drift around the corners and impress everyone! :-)

I'm fine with understeer on the street so if I screw up I have more chance to recover. But on the track and at AUtoX I also aim for balanced handling (or very slight understeer). In theory I try to run about -2.0/-1.9 camber for street (still understeers with staggered tires), -3.0/-2.1 camber for track. Also try to get front toe to slight toe-out for track, slight toe-in for street. I'm getting faster at adjusting rear camber!
11-12-2013, 01:54 PM
QC_ZHP

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Originally Posted by LivesNearCostco

-1.4 front and -2.1 rear seem like pretty close to stock sport settings and should give you good handling. I think stock is around -1.2 front -2.0 rear? But the E46 is designed to understeer at the limit with stock setup: staggered tires, less front camber, low front spring rates, etc. Derek is looking for balanced handling where all 4 wheels will start to slide at the same time when he's at the limit, so he can do an awesome 4-wheel drift around the corners and impress everyone! :-)

I'm fine with understeer on the street so if I screw up I have more chance to recover. But on the track and at AUtoX I also aim for balanced handling (or very slight understeer). In theory I try to run about -2.0/-1.9 camber for street (still understeers with staggered tires), -3.0/-2.1 camber for track. Also try to get front toe to slight toe-out for track, slight toe-in for street. I'm getting faster at adjusting rear camber!

So.Much.To.Learn.

I really appreciate the info! Sorry for the thread jack derbo.
11-12-2013, 03:55 PM
derbo

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Originally Posted by echo46

How did the headliner turn out.

You meant seat? I haven't gotten a response from the upholstery guy yet. I emailed him yesterday morning.

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Originally Posted by Avetiso

Derek, check the SF meet thread, please. :) I want to see that black beauty there if at all possible!

I'm not sure I will be able to. I am driving up to Willows, CA in the afternoon. There maybe a slight chance (33%) I can come by in the morning if my gf lets me. (whiplash noise)

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Originally Posted by LivesNearCostco

-1.4 front and -2.1 rear seem like pretty close to stock sport settings and should give you good handling. I think stock is around -1.2 front -2.0 rear? But the E46 is designed to understeer at the limit with stock setup: staggered tires, less front camber, low front spring rates, etc. Derek is looking for balanced handling where all 4 wheels will start to slide at the same time when he's at the limit, so he can do an awesome 4-wheel drift around the corners and impress everyone! :-)

I'm fine with understeer on the street so if I screw up I have more chance to recover. But on the track and at AUtoX I also aim for balanced handling (or very slight understeer). In theory I try to run about -2.0/-1.9 camber for street (still understeers with staggered tires), -3.0/-2.1 camber for track. Also try to get front toe to slight toe-out for track, slight toe-in for street. I'm getting faster at adjusting rear camber!

LOL 4wheel drift? I like a more neutral feel the car and I think with your track setup, its a lovely setup. Its close to what I have. Do you have camber arms in the rear? Since Toe changes with the camber adjustments, I've been hesitate to try changing it on the fly during track days till I get some expert advice about it.

QC,

Toe is the main culprit for fast worn tires. If you do backroads alot, the camber will be beneficial and the tires could evenly wear. I say set the front toe to 0 cause its your daily driver and set the rear toe to 3/16th' toe IN for some better exit traction.

For camber -3 / -2.1 is a good setup for fun. if it is too aggressive, you can go with John's -2/1.9 setup.

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