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  1. #51
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    Just to toss my 2 cents in here.....I've used Blackstone for aircraft engine analysis for many many years. One sample really doesnt mean that much, although of course it can indicate that something major is going on. The trick is to use it on a regular basis and look at the trend. While they normalize it based on oil added during the period and such, its best if you do exactly the same thing each time to eliminate the variables- ie initial fill is the same, added oil is about the same, and operating hours or miles too. The trends over time will show whats going on, and if any issues. Typical in an aircraft you look at Silicon for induction leaks, nickel for valve guides, iron can be cylinder wall corrosion or wear, copper can mean bearings and so on. Since different manufacturers can use different metals for diffferent purposes, its goodness to watch any increasing trends and then link them to materials used in the engine (or transmission). Once you have trends established then you can perhaps do it every other oil change etc.

    This reminds me of something else I do on my ZHP that I learned via aviation and thats inspecting the oil filter carefully for particles. In the BMW there is no excuse not to do that, its so easy- no filter cutting!!

    And BTW, oil analysis isnt everything, its a good indicator, but there are many documented cases of people finding large metal particles in their filter media, and having good oil analysis and visa versa. Its a good tool but you cant depend on it for everything....

    Personally I'll save the oil analysis costs on the car and use that $$ towards the airplane, its getting a lot more expensive to feed these days!

    hope thats helpful!!

    Tim

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    Good info, Tim. Thanks for posting up.

    My primary reason for using Blackstone is the TBN- so I know if I can get more out of my $70 oil change.

    Secondary is to make sure there isn't something major going on.

    I can definitely see the value in trend information- I'll most likely continue getting an analysis at every change.



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  3. #53
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    I have data from my non ZHP 330Ci from 21,000 to 100,000 miles posted over at BITOG if anyone wants to see it.

    http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...85#Post2431085

  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanneba View Post
    I have data from my non ZHP 330Ci from 21,000 to 100,000 miles posted over at BITOG if anyone wants to see it.

    http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...85#Post2431085
    Thanks for the link. No word on the Cu yet?

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  5. #55
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    Here's my first UOA. Lead is higher than expected. Oil is Total/Elf Quartz INEO 5w-30 synthetic.

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  6. #56
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    So....the miles on the oil sample was 8,473....they say that the Al and Pb (Piston and bearing wear), could be caused by extended use of oil from beyond 6k miles....yet he recommends running this sample for 9k miles?

    Does.not.compute.
    Call Me Dane l 2/2004 330i ZHP l 18x8 ET45 BBS CK's wrapped with Michelin Pilot Sport AS3+ @ 245-40-18 l KW V1 Coilovers in front l KW V1 springs w/ Bilstein B8 dampeners in rear l BMW Performance Rotors l UUC StrutBarbarian l Racing Dynamics Rear Strut Bar l Jim Conforti Shark Injector l Light Birch Interior Trim l Bimmian Celly Mount l M3 Trunk Mat l l e90 Performance E-Brake & Shift Knob l M3 Tri-Stitched Boots l AL Headlight Retrofit with ZKW Lenses l CobyWheel Wrap w/M3 Stitching l LCM sw 4.5 triple blink and rear fogs l Maple Interior Trim

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    I was also scratching my head at that one! Maybe time to email them some questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivesNearCostco View Post
    I was also scratching my head at that one! Maybe time to email them some questions.
    Yeah... Doesn't make sense. I would recommend a 6k change then send off a sample. See if the Al and/or Pb levels come down.

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  9. #59
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    Good idea. Might also send a sample of virgin Total Quartz to see whether it has sodium naturally and what the TBN levels are with zero miles on it. But that would cost another $25/$35.

    Edit: I also installed a UUC magnetic oil plug to capture metal particles, but I see two catches. It shouldn't help for larger particles that the filter would catch anyway, and it won't help for non-magnetic particles like aluminum. I don't think lead is magnetic either.
    Last edited by LivesNearCostco; 03-07-2012 at 11:06 AM.

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    Anyone ever send a diff fluid sample to Blackstone?
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