Kpro's F87 M2 Journey

[Sockethead]

Thanks San & Rob. I'll be sure to tell her.

This came in at the dealership today :)

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[cornercarver]

Maybe it's the photo - does the outer tip completely bypass the muffler??

[Sockethead]

Yes! There are butterflies in there controlled by a Bluetooth remote. The exhaust system has to be programmed into the cars' Bluetooth system. It's pretty slick

The solenoids are under the purple and black foam

Those are the bare tips. Either titanium or CF tips are available

[BADCLOWN]

CF tips are super nice. Is that a BMWP type exhaust for the M2?

[danewilson77]

Damn. Congrats Kristen. Don't let Rob drive it.

Be da bitch.

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[johnrando]

:roundel

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[Sockethead]

CF tips are super nice. Is that a BMWP type exhaust for the M2?

Yes, it is... with her employee discount, she got ii at about 1/2 off the list price but it was still stupid expensive


Damn. Congrats Kristen. Don't let Rob drive it.

Be da bitch.



Ha! I've only driven it once so far and that was on the last leg of the drive back from the performance center... it's ok though. It's her car and she's having fun... I can wait.... until it's broken in :)

[webster]

congrats. car looks great. moar pics plz.

[Sockethead]

Thanks! Working on more pics

Kristen got the performance exhaust installed and programmed Friday but the tips didn't come until Saturday morning so we stopped by at the dealership on our way to cars and coffee

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You can see in this pic that the bare tips are just common 409 stainless piping. It would look like crap without the separate tips


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One tip installed

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The finished product, she also had them install the CF diffuser. This was actually an EBay item. It's different than the BMW performance version but was 1/3 the cost. It's all CF no overlay. The quality is quite good.

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Some views underneath

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Bypass butterflies

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[Hornung418]

Need start up videos now!!!!!!!

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[Sockethead]

Sounds pretty much like the 135

[Hornung418]

Sounds pretty much like the 135Same exhaust like on Marc's 135is?

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[Sockethead]

No Kristen's old 135

[Sockethead]

This exhaust is artwork

[704sw]

Need start up videos now!!!!!!!

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+1

[Hornung418]

No Kristen's old 135Yeah I get that level of loudness, but the 135is had the Bmw performance exhaust from the factory and it was quite loud. I know this is quad exhaust.

It looks amazing.

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[Sockethead]

I don't remember what his car sounded like but I'll try to get some clips up at some point.

[derbo]

Yessss.


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[Sockethead]

This is the stock diffuser. We were a little disappointed in the quality of this piece. It's just matte plastic. Looks a little cheap to us which is why we had a CF piece ready to go on.

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I took a couple shots of the rear when we had it in the air at the dealer. As you can see, it has a 4 link suspension and lots of aluminum parts
It has a huge finned diff cover that comes off from the bottom instead of the traditional rear cover.
The rear shocks are huge.

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[BADCLOWN]

Undersides of a clean and/or brand new car are always nice to look at

[Sockethead]

Aren't they though? Makes me want to never take it in the rain

[derbo]

you planning to do coilovers? I want the ohlins R&T..lol

[704sw]

I’d be more concerned about coastal living than the rain.

[Sockethead]

you planning to do coilovers? I want the ohlins R&T..lol

Probably some time in the future I'm trying to get her to leave the suspension stock for a while... I may fail lol



I’d be more concerned about coastal living than the rain.

I haven't noticed any corrosion on anything where we live and work... the boat is another story.

[704sw]

I haven't noticed any corrosion on anything where we live and work... the boat is another story.

Impressive. When my family had a house in Wilmington (about 1/4 mile straight line from the ICW, and 3/4 mile to the Atlantic on the other side of Wrightsville) everything was rusted from the salty air. Grill we kept in the garage? Rusted. Patio furniture? Rusted. We scrapped so much stuff when the house was sold.

[Sockethead]

We're about a mile or so from the ICW but it's pretty far up the Stono River. Downtown Charleston and harbor is about seven miles away and Folly beach is about 17 miles away

[704sw]

Ah, well that makes sense! May your grill and outdoor patio fans be forever spared.

[webster]

Undersides of a clean and/or brand new car are always nice to look at

replace "car" with "woman" - also true.

[BADCLOWN]

Hahaha

[orange260z]

Congrats Kristen! (and you too, Rob). Beautiful car!!

[ELCID86]

She’ purty. I know Kpro is super psyched.

[Sockethead]

Thanks guys! She is super excited but she just had major surgery yesterday morning and she can't drive the car for a couple of weeks. That duty falls on me now ... Bummer! ;)

[704sw]

So noble of you to fall on the sword for her. Chivalry is alive and well!

[Sockethead]

Indeed! :rofl

[johnrando]

Hope she heals up fast. In the meantime, drive on my friend. :)

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[Sockethead]

Thanks John! I'll tell her. She is already walking around and stuff. She's amazing :)

[az3579]

Send her my best!

[san]

Hope she recovers quickly but still lets you drive the M2!


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[Sockethead]

I will BP!

Lol San, she won't be able to drive it for two weeks but she want me to drive as much as possible to get done with the break-in period

[Sockethead]

Before Kristen went into the hospital we got a few things done on the car.
Sometimes it's the little things that make for a cleaner package that's more pleasing to the eye... First on the list is the rear of the car.

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What's wrong with this picture you may ask... It's those stupid reflectors that the U.S. Requires.
We could paint them but then they would look like painted reflectors. Looking at the bumper, it looks like they are supposed to be fake venting. I found these on IND's website. They were stupid expensive but to me, they are the only option to make it look right.

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It's a little unnerving taking apart a car with a few hundred miles on it but it all went well.

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Next are the side emblems. The factory emblems are just dull plastic. We don't get why they would do that when the mirror bases, etc are all gloss black. They had to go. Kristen chose gloss black backing with black chrome trim. I think they look 100% better!

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Lastly are the BMW performance splitters. These are replicas but the quality is really good and all the mounting points are spot on. I had to drill two holes per side but the other three holes use factory mounting points

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They look good but I can't really think of any aerodynamic purpose for them.

That's about it for exterior mods. We're going to eventually get the performance CF trunk spoiler but we've spent enough for now :)

[Vas]

Looking good

[Johnmadd]

Damn, you guys are going all in, looks awesome! Hope Kristen feels better soon.

[704sw]

Everything looks so much better, Rob. Hope she bounces back quickly.

[BMWCurves]

Everything looks so much better, Rob. Hope she bounces back quickly.

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[Newjack]

Mods look perfect Rob!

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[johnrando]

Gotta love modding a brand new car right at the get go! :thumbsup

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[cakM3]

Love seeing you guys mod Kris' M2 Rob :thumbsup Looks great!!

[Sockethead]

Thanks all! Kristen says "Thanks for the compliments guys!"

Last thing for now is 20% window tint which is a must down here...

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[704sw]

Does the M2 not have dot matrix along the top of the back glass? Looks like there’s no issues with film adhesion.

[Sockethead]

Dot Matrix?

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[san]

I’m guessing it’s these Spenser is talking about -

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[Sockethead]

Ok another lame attempt at a joke on my part
" wa waa waah"

The tint looks "ok" lots of small imperfections.
I wish she'd stop using the the dealer detail shop. They suck giant monkey balls...I'd rather set my hair on fire and put it out with a sledgehammer than take my car there. Yep! My hate on them is very strong...

[BMWCurves]

Dot Matrix?

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[Newjack]

Is 20% what was on the 135?

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[Sockethead]

I'm not sure Rob... it might be 35%. There should be a receipt for it somewhere in the notebook of records we gave you...

[nextelbuddy]

such a beautiful car and that has to feel good being able to mod a brand new car out of the gate, love what you 2 have done so far.

im a bit out of the loop here but it looks like everyone knows everyone here.

who is kpro? seems like everyone knows her but she doesn't post? I guess that's your Wife Socket and you just post everything for the both of you?

Did kpro used to have a ZHP at some point then a 135 it looks like?

[Sockethead]

A brief history for you...

Kristen is her name. She originally had a 2004 325, her first BMW. Then she got the low milage 135 from a friend in Ohio. It was already pretty heavily modded and she built it into a beast. We met on Bimmerforums and we both joined ZHP mafia soon after it's inception. Moved in together shortly after that and got married in in spring of 2013 and the twins were born that August. We been to every Mafia meet except for the one in Tenn. Logistics weren't right that year as our families were in Ohio, NJ and SC at that time and we try to coordinate that into the meets. She stopped posting soon after we had the twins...too much for her but she is a regular on Facebook. I keep her up to date on all the happenings here.

She is a serious gear head and a former Honda girl. She restored and turbo'd her Honda Prelude from scratch using a Garret turbo out of a junkyard Volvo, custom tune, etc. and she has several car show trophies for her effort. She's done engine and suspension swaps and all that JDM stuff import people do.
She worked at the Honda plant in Ohio and she was a Honda tech for a few years before switching to parts manger at her Honda dealership. When she moved to NJ, she joined a startup Mitsubishi dealer as the parts and service director. She started both departments from scratch. When she started, there was no parts dept., service bays were full of trash, old toilets, etc. She bought shop equipment, got proper state licensing and hired techs and a parts guy. The dealership became one of the most successful dealerships in the country. She left after the GM wanted her to start doing some shady stuff.

She went to Penske after that as a service adviser at BMW. When they realized she was wasting her talent in that position, they moved her to parts manager at Acura next door to BMW. She did so well in that position, Roger Penske himself sought her out and shook her hand saying that she had the cleanest parts department of any of his dealerships, which is pretty impressive considering he has over 400 dealerships throughout the world. When we visited Charleston a few years ago, we stopped by the BMW dealership and she introduced herself and told them she was looking to relocate. A few months later they offered her a job and here we are.
As you can see, I'm very proud of her. She has tremendous talent and is a very kind person, willing to help in any way she can. She is fun and lighthearted... compliments my stodgy old ass perfectly!
Hopefully, you will get a chance to meet her at one of the future meets.

[az3579]

Kristen is one of the most awesome people I've ever met. It's an honor to know her.

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[nextelbuddy]

A brief history for you...

Kristen is her name. She originally had a 2004 325, her first BMW. Then she got the low milage 135 from a friend in Ohio. It was already pretty heavily modded and she built it into a beast. We met on Bimmerforums and we both joined ZHP mafia soon after it's inception. Moved in together shortly after that and got married in in spring of 2013 and the twins were born that August. We been to every Mafia meet except for the one in Tenn. Logistics weren't right that year as our families were in Ohio, NJ and SC at that time and we try to coordinate that into the meets. She stopped posting soon after we had the twins...too much for her but she is a regular on Facebook. I keep her up to date on all the happenings here.

She is a serious gear head and a former Honda girl. She restored and turbo'd her Honda Prelude from scratch using a Garret turbo out of a junkyard Volvo, custom tune, etc. and she has several car show trophies for her effort. She's done engine and suspension swaps and all that JDM stuff import people do.
She worked at the Honda plant in Ohio and she was a Honda tech for a few years before switching to parts manger at her Honda dealership. When she moved to NJ, she joined a startup Mitsubishi dealer as the parts and service director. She started both departments from scratch. When she started, there was no parts dept., service bays were full of trash, old toilets, etc. She bought shop equipment, got proper state licensing and hired techs and a parts guy. The dealership became one of the most successful dealerships in the country. She left after the GM wanted her to start doing some shady stuff.

She went to Penske after that as a service adviser at BMW. When they realized she was wasting her talent in that position, they moved her to parts manager at Acura next door to BMW. She did so well in that position, Roger Penske himself sought her out and shook her hand saying that she had the cleanest parts department of any of his dealerships, which is pretty impressive considering he has over 400 dealerships throughout the world. When we visited Charleston a few years ago, we stopped by the BMW dealership and she introduced herself and told them she was looking to relocate. A few months later they offered her a job and here we are.
As you can see, I'm very proud of her. She has tremendous talent and is a very kind person, willing to help in any way she can. She is fun and lighthearted... compliments my stodgy old ass perfectly!
Hopefully, you will get a chance to meet her at one of the future meets.

good to know, ok interrogation over lol

i can see why you would be proud of her, great car history.

[johnrando]

As BP said, plus she's awesome.

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[ELCID86]

Car is looking great. Prayers for a speedy recovery (so she can help with the boys, not take the car back! ;-)

[Sockethead]

Lol, she fine now... already driving her car. The operation was a success and all of her pain is gone! She just has to heal from the incisions.
Yesterday she went for a joy ride in the golf cart and ran out of gas a couple of neighborhoods away and and to call someone to rescue her... she's a trip!
Less that 200 miles to go and it's broken in!

Matt at Charleston Performance Center told me he'd do a base dyno run on her car for free. He's going to put a video on his website. He said her car will generate about 20% spike in business... sounds good to me!

[johnrando]

Good news all the way around.

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[Karl Lazlo]

Lol, she fine now... already driving her car. The operation was a success and all of her pain is gone! She just has to heal from the incisions.
Yesterday she went for a joy ride in the golf cart and ran out of gas a couple of neighborhoods away and and to call someone to rescue her... she's a trip!
Less that 200 miles to go and it's broken in!

Good news on all accounts, except for the running out of gas bit...


Matt at Charleston Performance Center told me he'd do a base dyno run on her car for free. He's going to put a video on his website. He said her car will generate about 20% spike in business... sounds good to me!

And Mrs Sockethead gets a vig on that, right?

[Sockethead]

Lol yep!

[Sockethead]

Car is fully broken in. Interestingly, there seems to be a setting for break-in called "run-in check" that they reset when they do the 1200 mile service. All fluids changed too. I didn't get much of a chance to really lay into it but the car feels really strong.

There are a lot of interesting features on this M2 that I want to share but no time right now. Some of these features are definitely race car. Very cool!

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[san]

Did you/Kristen celebrate by laying down rubber as you left the dealership? [emoji6]


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[johnrando]

Got that 1200 done fast. Now really open it up, woo hoo!

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[ZHPizza]

Glad they started doing fluid swaps after break in. I remember when BMW went to 15k mile service intervals in the early 2000s and people would go the first 15k miles on the original oil...eek.

[az3579]

Glad they started doing fluid swaps after break in. I remember when BMW went to 15k mile service intervals in the early 2000s and people would go the first 15k miles on the original oil...eek.

I think the break-in service is only for the M cars. I heard regular ones still go straight to 15k...

[BMWCurves]

Did you/Kristen celebrate by laying down rubber as you left the dealership? [emoji6]


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A good ol' game of elevenses


I think the break-in service is only for the M cars. I heard regular ones still go straight to 15k...

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[Sockethead]

Did you/Kristen celebrate by laying down rubber as you left the dealership? [emoji6]


Lol, I don't know what she did after leaving the dealership... she works there so that maneuver may have consequences...

[BMWCurves]

Lol, I don't know what she did after leaving the dealership... she works there so that maneuver may have consequences...

Like spraining her wrist from all the high fives she'd get the following day?

[Sockethead]

When I was 16, working at a dealership, I did something dumb like that. Was looking for a job that afternoon...

[Sockethead]

Well, we have found two really annoying things that really affect the enjoyment of the car:

First is the shifter. It's too tall and very vague, especially between 3rd and 5th. We keep feeling like we're going to money shift it. Part of the problem is we have UUC short shifters in the ZHP and 135. People that never had a short shifter may not notice an issue at all. It already has the ZHP shift knob from the factory.

Second and this is the big one, the auto rev matching is the most annoying thing about this car! We hate it and from what we've been reading on the internet, so does everyone else. Why would we hate such a cool feature? Well if you don't shift and drive they way it expects then it does stupid things. The way it works is there is a sensor somewhere between the shifter and transmission that senses when your entering the gate of the next upshift or downshift and then adjusts the rpm accordingly. In a perfect world, this would be great but we all have our habits with the manual and this interferes tremendously. For example, if rolling up to a stop light or stop sign, I have a tendency to put it in first before I come to a complete stop so the car tries to rev match and makes me look like an idiot. Getting back to the shifter, if I miss a shift, say, bounce it off third when I'm trying for fifth, even though I've barely touched the gate before realizing that it's third, the car will try to re match and the rpms go to the moon. Also, it's inconsistent. There are times when it doesn't rev match at all when you're expecting it. Also, it has this annoying feature where it revs up to around 1000 rpms when letting the clutch out to assist non drivers starting out. Why do we need this dumbed down technology? This isn't why people buy this car with a manual!

Putting it in sport+ helps a little but why the hell didn't they provide an off switch? Anyone that buys this car with a manual transmission doesn't want to be coddled for every shift or every start from a dead stop. If you completely turn off DSC, it disables it but who wants to drive around with DSC off all the time?

To be honest, if we knew that this feature was going to be so shitty, we would of gotten the DCT. We're looking into having it coded out but it looks like that disables some other features too. More research is needed.

On a higher note, with the DSC completely off, this car is amazing! Sports+ mode doesn't turn enough off.
Did I mention that it chops the ignition between shifts? Instant RPM drop and it sounds like a friggin full blown race car!
The rev matching is awesome for spirited driving and on the track but for gods sake, put an off switch for every day driving like Porsche did

[BMWCurves]

For some reason I thought the rev match was something that could be turned off in iDrive. That would drive me nuts.


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[Newjack]

Rob that does sound frustrating. I'll bet a tuner out there will have a solution in the near future though. Just gotta give it a little time for these cars to get fleshed out. I had no idea about the RPM drops in DCS off mode, that actually sounds really awesome. Throw in a nice SSK and hopefully that will make things a lot more enjoyable. Sucks that BMW didn't already plan for this kind of stuff. No one likes removing brand new parts on a brand new car.

[ZHPizza]

Bruh I'ma need a video of that ignition cut. That sounds dope.

[Sockethead]

Pizza, I was thinking the same thing.
Rob, Kris wants the 135 back lol

[704sw]

Pizza, I was thinking the same thing.
Rob, Kris wants the 135 back lol

NO GIVESIES BACKSIES!!!

[Sockethead]

That's ok, she can trade me for the ZHP :)

[704sw]

It’s funny you mentioned the Porsche auto-blip. My neighbor was telling me how he was riding with a student in a 991.1 last fall and thought “my god, for a novice this guy can heel-toe like an absolute boss!” Turns out it was the auto-blip, and when he turned it off the guy actually had terrible footwork. It’s probably great for some people, but as you mentioned, typically the kind of person opting for a 6MT instead of DCT in an M2 probably doesn’t need it.

Surely someone has/will figure out how to disable it in the M2 without disabling a bunch of other things.

[Newjack]

NO GIVESIES BACKSIES!!!

:shift

[Sockethead]

An article I was reading said that the 6 speed manual is for the US market because they're the only ones that want it. Sales numbers back that up as the DCT has more sales. It further stated that BMW is all about technology and the don't even want to put any manual gearboxes in any more, and I have to agree, The DCT is superior to the manual gearbox... doesn't mean that I really want one though.

[derbo]

An article I was reading said that the 6 speed manual is for the US market because they're the only ones that want it. Sales numbers back that up as the DCT has more sales. It further stated that BMW is all about technology and the don't even want to put any manual gearboxes in any more, and I have to agree, The DCT is superior to the manual gearbox... doesn't mean that I really want one though.

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Definitely DCT is more popular around the world.

[Newjack]

.1% manual transmission M2's in China lol

I have to imagine one just slipped in there by accident and someone had to shoo it out of the dealership


DCT is superior but like Rob said I prefer a manual and always will.

[holyc0w]

Putting it in sport+ helps a little but why the hell didn't they provide an off switch? Anyone that buys this car with a manual transmission doesn't want to be coddled for every shift or every start from a dead stop. If you completely turn off DSC, it disables it but who wants to drive around with DSC off all the time?


That's crappy. They should have allowed some customization through a menu. smh

[derbo]

That's crappy. They should have allowed some customization through a menu. smh

Supposedly the coding to remove it is to disable the clutch switch. I think this also disables hill assist and requires two presses of the start button to start vs one. I don't think everyone has figured out what else it disables. There is no line that suggests disabling rev match and it being disabled is more of a side effect of other features disabled.

Super bummer! I'm semi-happy that my fiance got the DCT (she got it mainly cause she sits in traffic during her commute) and its a hell of a transmisison.

[az3579]

Supposedly the coding to remove it is to disable the clutch switch. I think this also disables hill assist and requires two presses of the start button to start vs one. I don't think everyone has figured out what else it disables. There is no line that suggests disabling rev match and it being disabled is more of a side effect of other features disabled.

Super bummer! I'm semi-happy that my fiance got the DCT (she got it mainly cause she sits in traffic during her commute) and its a hell of a transmisison.

The clutch switch is overrated anyway. :)
Anyone who knows how to drive a manual knows that you have to press the clutch in to start the car anyway, so the switch isn't even necessary.

[Sockethead]

I beg to differ. Everyone forgets, especially when there are automatics in the family too. Kristen went up over the curb one time in her 135 when she forgot to push in the clutch and I'm old and forgetful :)

[Newjack]

The clutch switch is overrated anyway. :)
Anyone who knows how to drive a manual knows that you have to press the clutch in to start the car anyway, so the switch isn't even necessary.

The fist time I drove the 135 I got in it and couldn't figure out how to start it. The only other push to start car I had driven was my mom's 128i and you have to put the key in and press the brake before pushing the start button. I forgot about the whole "clutch" aspect of the 135 and had to run over to Rob and ask what to do


I beg to differ. Everyone forgets, especially when there are automatics in the family too. Kristen went up over the curb one time in her 135 when she forgot to push in the clutch and I'm old and forgetful :)

This explains a lot lol - That curb didn't happen to be blue now did it?

[Sockethead]

No, it was in the Acura parking lot in Jersey when she was the parts manager there

[BADCLOWN]

Any pictorial updates on this beauty???? MOAR carbon fiber

[Sockethead]

Lol, no new pics. The kids started school recently and we were on our summer family vacation at the beginning of August so we've been pretty busy.
The only CF left is the Performance trunk lip but she has to pay off the very expensive performance exhaust first.

We did get the UUC short shifter for it, just have to get around to installing it. Kristen had a very good conversation with the guy there.... not Rob, the other guy with the accent. I forget what his name is

[Sockethead]

Installed the UUC short shifter. It's definitely an improvement. Shifts are more precise and the vagueness is gone. Installation is basically the same as it is for the e46.

My God! It is so much easier with a lift and a brand new car! It took me 6 hrs to install the shifter in my car due to rusty, frozen parts.
It was fun looking at the bottom of the engine subframe etc without a speck of dirt or oil on it.
The subframe is around 1" aluminum square bar, much bigger than just the crossmember on our cars. Still has the aluminum stiffening pan like our cars. The catalytic converter is huge and the pipe is a good 3". The single cross brace across the trans tunnel is aluminum instead of steel and all suspension components are aluminum. Rear subframe is still steel.
Wish I took more/better pics but I was short on time

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[san]

Do you have a lift in your garage now Rob?


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[Sockethead]

No not yet. That's at our friend's shop. My garage ceiling is only 9'6" so I'm not going to have that clearance

[san]

Ah gotcha. Did you manage to see who the transmission supplier is?


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[az3579]

Ah gotcha. Did you manage to see who the transmission supplier is?


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It's Getrag.

[san]

It's Getrag.

Thanks!


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[BADCLOWN]

Doesn’t look like it’s even been driven haha

[Sockethead]

I don't think it even has 2k on it yet... Kpro has a 14 mile round trip to work... sad part is that it's in the middle of rush hour which isn't pretty down here.... sometimes 45 minutes to go 7 miles. I asked her how she likes the clutch during that commute and she says it never bothers her... diehard third pedal fan.

The good thing about Charleston is that there is so much to do here, we rarely go out of a 20 mile radius

[san]

I don't think it even has 2k on it yet... Kpro has a 14 mile round trip to work... sad part is that it's in the middle of rush hour which isn't pretty down here.... sometimes 45 minutes to go 7 miles. I asked her how she likes the clutch during that commute and she says it never bothers her... diehard third pedal fan.

The good thing about Charleston is that there is so much to do here, we rarely go out of a 20 mile radius

Yup, traffic sucks in Charleston. Experienced it first hand when I was there to swap our exhausts...


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[Newjack]

I don't think it even has 2k on it yet... Kpro has a 14 mile round trip to work... sad part is that it's in the middle of rush hour which isn't pretty down here.... sometimes 45 minutes to go 7 miles. I asked her how she likes the clutch during that commute and she says it never bothers her... diehard third pedal fan.

The good thing about Charleston is that there is so much to do here, we rarely go out of a 20 mile radiusMy commute is pretty much the same. 16 miles round trip that sometimes takes an hour in rush hour. I'll take that third pedal to the fucking grave.

That's the word on getting that carbon fiber rear deck spoiler? Cosmetically I think it's the single best mod for an M car these days.

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[Sockethead]

She has to pay off the ultra expensive Performance exhaust first... she's trying to be responsible modding the car... imagine that! :)

[Newjack]

She has to pay off the ultra expensive Performance exhaust first... she's trying to be responsible modding the car... imagine that! :)Ha!

I forgot to mention, those rear bumper reflectors, while I understand their purpose look kinda bad in stock M2's. I saw one last night with them still on and it just kinda detracts from how mean the rear end looks. Glad she put on the black ones

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[Sockethead]

I thought the same thing... following her back from the BMW performance center, I was thinking "they gotta go"

[derbo]

CF roof time! ;)

[Sockethead]

She thought about a CF wrap for the roof but I don't think so...

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[az3579]

Hiding any of that gorgeous LBB is a crime!

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[Sockethead]

BP, I hope we meet again soon so you can drive it :)

[az3579]

BP, I hope we meet again soon so you can drive it :)

I need that like I need a hole in my head, especially after discovering my ZHP makes significantly less power than other ZHPs!


But with that said, I won't refuse a drive. :biggrin

[Sockethead]

Come on BP, at 300+k, you really expect your car to be putting out the same HP as low mileage cars? .... but I can see how that would be depressing considering what you'd have to do to fix/freshen it...

We've always enjoyed your impressions after driving one of our cars :)

[az3579]

Come on BP, at 300+k, you really expect your car to be putting out the same HP as low mileage cars? .... but I can see how that would be depressing considering what you'd have to do to fix/freshen it...

I can understand a little bit of a loss, but... the difference between the 205k ZHP and my 307k one shouldn't be all that big... but it is. I did a test last night... 90-110km/h in sixth gear, foot to the floor. Mine has the 3.46 LSD in it, while the 205k one has the 3.07. It beat my acceleration by a full second.

MPG differences? I got 35mpg down to work this morning in the 205k ZHP, where mine struggled to get 30 with the 3.07 diff before swapped.

These are huge differences despite the small mileage gap. Time for Piston Rings.......... or a new car. LOL - one can dream.



We've always enjoyed your impressions after driving one of our cars :)

Does kid in the candy store come to mind? :rofl

[Sockethead]

My car has always dyno'd lower than other ZHPs even when it was lower mileage... don't know why...

[Newjack]

My car has always dyno'd lower than other ZHPs even when it was lower mileage... don't know why...

It's humble

[704sw]

It's humble

This is the correct answer.

[ZHPizza]

My car has always dyno'd lower than other ZHPs even when it was lower mileage... don't know why...No two engines are going to have the same output so it's really luck of the draw and wear. I know you've had issues with oil burn so it's almost certainly a case of worn piston rings.

My car had oil burning issues to the point that BMW replaced the engine around 50k miles. The replacement engine has 110k on it now, burns no oil, and is strong as hell.

Bad luck for the first owner, good luck for me.

[san]

I think I’m in the same boat as you two. Pretty much every zhp I’ve driven feels faster than mine and pretty much every car beats me off the line at a stop light unless I put my foot down and look like an idiot cause of the corsa exhaust. Replacing the vanos seals helped a bit but not much...


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[Sockethead]

No two engines are going to have the same output so it's really luck of the draw and wear.

I know this but 20 hp is significant... especially these days with CNC machining and close tolerances.

[holyc0w]

It's that German engineering.

[ZHPizza]

I know this but 20 hp is significant... especially these days with CNC machining and close tolerances.

On a new engine, yes absolutely, but on a 15 year/300k mile old engine with worn piston rings? Easily. I think I also remember BP talking about how he shifts at <2k rpm, which causes more wear on the engine in the long run.

[Sockethead]

I thought we were talking about my car... yea BP's motor is beat ;)

[ZHPizza]

I thought we were talking about my car... yea BP's motor is beat ;)

Oh I see the thread title now. Are you missing 20hp on the M2???

[704sw]

Oh I see the thread title now. Are you missing 20hp on the M2???

Bruh c’mon. With all those added bits she’s at least back to even.

[ZHPizza]

F me. I just scrolled up and read everything in order. Your ZHP is wimpy too. Got it.

[Sockethead]

:facepalm

[az3579]

Easily. I think I also remember BP talking about how he shifts at <2k rpm, which causes more wear on the engine in the long run.

I think you're assuming that I'm lugging my engine, which I am not. So, that statement isn't true...
Lower revs = less wear as long as no lugging is going on.

[johnrando]

More M2 stuff please! :)

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[Sockethead]

Yea, John.... getting back to that... We really like the new shifter. The throws are much shorter and the gates are precise. No more vagueness. I still think that 3rd and 5th are a little too close together but with the new shifter, it only feels awkward at slow speed, shifting slowly. I think it's something I would get used to if I drove the car all the time.

Installation was almost identical to the e46. The carrier is a different shape but it mounts exactly like the e46 6 speed. A nice thing they did with this is the rear carrier bushing unbolts from the body, making removal much easier. I had to drop the exhaust but it's a single 3" banjo clamp and like I said earlier, everything is brand new... so sweet modding a brand new car. Everything is perfectly clean and comes apart so easily. I can't wait for the performance upgrades... Probably going to be all Dinan stuff so there will be no warranty issues.

The short list for performance mods is: bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, new charge pipe, CAI and a tune. If we go all Dinan, it will be about $5k and add about 100 HP for a total of 470 HP at the crank. That should be close to her 135's output :)

[san]

Yea, John.... getting back to that... We really like the new shifter. The throws are much shorter and the gates are precise. No more vagueness. I still think that 3rd and 5th are a little too close together but with the new shifter, it only feels awkward at slow speed, shifting slowly. I think it's something I would get used to if I drove the car all the time.

Installation was almost identical to the e46. The carrier is a different shape but it mounts exactly like the e46 6 speed. A nice thing they did with this is the rear carrier bushing unbolts from the body, making removal much easier. I had to drop the exhaust but it's a single 3" banjo clamp and like I said earlier, everything is brand new... so sweet modding a brand new car. Everything is perfectly clean and comes apart so easily. I can't wait for the performance upgrades... Probably going to be all Dinan stuff so there will be no warranty issues.

The short list for performance mods is: bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, new charge pipe, CAI and a tune. If we go all Dinan, it will be about $5k and add about 100 HP for a total of 470 HP at the crank. That should be close to her 135's output :)

Rob, the Dinan warranty is their own and not tied to BMWs correct?


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[Sockethead]

Here's the link to the warranty: https://www.dinancars.com/warranty/

I'm pretty sure the Hendrick BMW store in Charlotte NC is a Dinan installer too...

[Sockethead]

It seems the good people of Charleston have it out to destroy the M2 judging by two incidents last week:

Kristen was trying to leave a parking lot in Mt Pleasant and this girl in a 4Runner was texting and not looking where she was going. She was heading right for a front end collision with the M2. Kristen has to run the car up over a curb to avoid her and destroyed a back wheel in the process . The girl went past her and hit the car behind her and totaled it. Then the girl tried to run before two dudes in pickups blocked her from leaving the scene. Thankfully, due to Kristen’s quick actions, it appears we are just out a wheel and alignment which the girl’s parents are willing to pay for cash. Apparently they’re loaded.

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Later on in the week some lady road raged out on her and squirted lotion all over the M2. When she ran out of lotion, she started throwing bottles and trash at the car. When Kristen got out of the car to take a picture, the lady put the car in reverse and tried to run over her!

Funniest part though is the lady had a pit bull in the car and was yelling “attack! Get her!” Kris said “ you dog is isn’t going to do anything “ and reached in the car and started petting it. Hahaha!
I think what pissed the lady off so much is that Kristen was really calm and reasonable the whole time.
So when she got to work she called the cops but nothing will probably happen. The cop told her off the record that he’s so sick of being a cop here because all he does are accidents and road rage incidents He also told her she should carry a weapon in the car with her.. the very least have mace in the car...that’s pretty bad when the cops tell you to carry a weapon

I guess we could take her to small claims court. The driver’s side window is going to need a new seal because it’s soaked with lotion and streaks the window when it goes back up...

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[san]

Damn, What is wrong with those people?


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[ZHPizza]

Damn, What is wrong with those people?


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Kind of the norm in SC

[san]

Kind of the norm in SC

I lived in Greenville, SC for 2 years and never came across those kinda folks, there were all mostly friendly actually...


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[Sockethead]

It’s the locals, they hate all the people moving into the area.
The traffic in the Charleston area is insane... and the drivers are idiots. Makes it hard to really enjoy living here when your an enthusiast

[704sw]

It’s the locals, they hate all the people moving into the area.


I’ll never forget my conversation with the mayor of Wrightsville Beach when he said “I’ve been on the city council in several coastal communities, and the most vocal “locals,” the most critical of newcomers/tourists are almost always those who have only lived in the area for a few years. The ones who’ve been here forever are almost always the most welcoming.”

[Sockethead]

I’m going off of what the cop told us... we love the tourists, great people watching and they are always happy because they are on vacation :)

[cakM3]

I’m so sorry to hear about this Rob. I get angry why people have to be asshats like this... seems they need to get their asses handed to them and hard....


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[Sreten]

Jesus, that sucks. How pathetic do you have to be to start squirting lotion on someones car...

Will you go for the new rim or refinish the damaged one?

[Sockethead]

I know... friggin lotion!
New. The car only has around 3k on it.

[Sockethead]

I’m so sorry to hear about this Rob. I get angry why people have to be asshats like this... seems they need to get their asses handed to them and hard....

Yea some people just suck
I get road rage once in a while but I just yell a lot in my car. That’s as far as it will ever go

[sillieidiot]

Damn that sucks. I have had that lotion thing happen to me too. Then when they ran out, they threw chips at it which stuck to the lotion ugh.

[3ZHP]

That really Sux!

I’ve always been fearful of that with the las two relocations but, haven’t had any issues. Hopefully things get better.


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[Johnmadd]

Man, I would probably be in jail if the cop wasn't a car guy.

I actually have scared a guy off with a pipe :shifty

[RUS_ZHP]

Those people are nuts! I can't even imaging what is going on in their heads. Probably nothing since they showing their misery by throwing garbage and lotion on someone property.
Sorry to hear Rob! I thought masshole drivers have a lot of rage, but I think I have to reevaluate my thoughts.
I hope your seal is not permanently damaged

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[Sockethead]

Thanks everyone... it all washed off pretty easy. We need to get it detailed to see if there are any dents from the other stuff she threw at it and a new window seal and it should good to go from the lotion incident. New wheel is on backorder

Rough week for the M2. Maybe we should get a beater for the commute and keep both bimmers as garage queens.

Now I know why I only see the nice cars at car shows and cars & coffee

[cakM3]

Thanks everyone... it all washed off pretty easy. We need to get it detailed to see if there are any dents from the other stuff she threw at it and a new window seal and it should good to go from the lotion incident. New wheel is on backorder

Rough week for the M2. Maybe we should get a beater for the commute and keep both bimmers as garage queens.

Now I know why I only see the nice cars at car shows and cars & coffee

I find it totally pathetic how some people get so jealous and resort to this sort of behavior. I really hope karma will catch up to that POS soon and give her what she so richly deserve...

[johnrando]

That is just nuts! Sorry to hear. Glad they will pay up the wheel, good move on Kris' part in both incidents.

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[Sreten]

I know... friggin lotion!
New. The car only has around 3k on it.

I think I'd take damaged rim over body damage every time. Still expensive but easier to deal with that than with paint on a new car.

[BADCLOWN]

As a deputy, it’s hard to maintain composure on these types of calls where both parties are on scene. I lay into people sometimes pretty hard when the act is totally egregious and idiotic, this would fall under that.

I also would have cited them for criminal mischief because they caused damage to your car in the form of having to replace the seal.

Asshats, sorry you had to go through that, hopefully it’s all recitifiable.

[papa_g]

dude what the frik?? lotion??
im digging the drake air freshener tho

[Sockethead]

I think I'd take damaged rim over body damage every time. Still expensive but easier to deal with that than with paint on a new car.

Same here.... when I saw the car I was saying thank god it was only the wheel.


As a deputy, it’s hard to maintain composure on these types of calls where both parties are on scene. I lay into people sometimes pretty hard when the act is totally egregious and idiotic, this would fall under that.

I also would have cited them for criminal mischief because they caused damage to your car in the form of having to replace the seal.

Asshats, sorry you had to go through that, hopefully it’s all recitifiable.

Thanks for the insight. I hope they charge her with something... she shouldn't just get away with it.


dude what the frik?? lotion??
im digging the drake air freshener tho

Yea, that Drake air freshener... You have to know my wife... she likes dumb funny stuff like that... Me? not so much... I gotta remember to pull that off of there next time I drive it :facepalm

[BADCLOWN]

If they don’t charge her you should be able to obtain a copy of the report they took and go to your local county attorney office in an attempt to have a criminal summons issued. This would have to be served to her and then a court date will be set. I would take copies of your vehicle paperwork and the cost to fix with you when you attempt to file the report to prove she caused damage that had to be fixed.

[Sockethead]

Ok thanks my friend. We'll pursue that avenue if the local cops don't do anything...

[papa_g]

Yea, that Drake air freshener... You have to know my wife... she likes dumb funny stuff like that... Me? not so much... I gotta remember to pull that off of there next time I drive it :facepalm
Maybe it accidentally makes its way into a postmarked envelope with my address on it? ;)

[Newjack]

Maybe it accidentally makes its way into a postmarked envelope with my address on it? ;)

Kristen and I dig the same stupid shit. She had one with the 135i and I bought one for me and mailed her a new one for her M2. Sorry Rob!

Buy it here (https://www.etsy.com/listing/465890323/drake-air-freshener?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_e-accessories-other&utm_custom1=11c72b85-a3a2-4ffb-a555-4adfd63ae9a0&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9NbdBRCwARIsAPLsnFYrWVj1OlRYLhhKlv6X PpSxiil188hXVXBG0WVAAeE51hzumzcmiFYaAsv_EALw_wcB)

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[Sockethead]

Lol I forgot about that...
:facepalm

[papa_g]

why am I only allowed to buy 6 this is some bull

[sillieidiot]

bwahaha. I need to get my friend one for her M240i lol

[ELCID86]

Group buy on Drake!?

Sorry you guys ran into such a putz. Did I miss why the lady raged? Overwhelmed by traffic??

[Sockethead]

She was texting or something... 3 lanes of traffic started moving and she just sat there so everyone including Kristen went around her... well, you know how Kristen likes her car loud... I guess this lady didn't like that when Kristen passed her(I'm sure Kristen made sure the car was revving when she passed her) and singled her out for her road rage

[papa_g]

lol i'm down for the group buy. for 6 drakes, shipping was almost the same as the price.

[cakM3]

If they don’t charge her you should be able to obtain a copy of the report they took and go to your local county attorney office in an attempt to have a criminal summons issued. This would have to be served to her and then a court date will be set. I would take copies of your vehicle paperwork and the cost to fix with you when you attempt to file the report to prove she caused damage that had to be fixed.

Good advice here :thumbsup


Ok thanks my friend. We'll pursue that avenue if the local cops don't do anything...

Hope things work out for you guys but if the local cops don't do anything then perhaps the local county attorney's office will... fingers crossed for you guys!

[Sockethead]

I hate to say it but I think we are at a crossroad with this car. Neither of us are really feeling the love... Can't quite put my finger on it but I think it's because this car has no soul. It's what I would expect from say, a performance Lexus or something. The car is way too computer controlled for a manual transmission. Sure, you can turn DSC completely off to get some control back but then you loose all the feature we like too. The clutch is mush. No feel or feedback at all. The shifting is terrible. Even with the UUC short shifter, we still have trouble finding the gates. Now we know why everyone is buying the DCT... a computer assisted manual isn't fun.

I'm not sure what direction we will go... maybe another X5 and get her out of performance. Or maybe an older touring we can mod. We've talked about a e90 M3...We're even thinking of a diesel. The other thing we could do is fully mod out the M2 and see what its like but IDK if we want to invest the money. Right now, the car holds its maximum value with only 5k on the clock. She got a huge discount on the car so we could still break even...

I know it sounds crazy, we thought we just being too picky but one of her customers has the identical car in white and he complained about the same things and will probably sell his and get a DCT. He only has around 5k on his too...

Thoughts?

[704sw]

You mentioned Touring, and you mentioned E90 M3. I think you should build an E91 M3 so I can live vicariously through you.

[Sockethead]

Lol, I'd like to but my car is still in the garage in pieces. I haven't been able to work on it in a month. :facepalm

[704sw]

Lol, I'd like to but my car is still in the garage in pieces. I haven't been able to work on it in a month. :facepalm

That which we obtain too easily we esteem too lightly.

[Vas]

I think that is the general consensus with the new bmw models that are manual.

What would be cool is a BMW 328IT M-SPORT MANUAL SPORT WAGON

[BADCLOWN]

Super weird that it’s got that blah feeling for you. But of course, I’ve never driven one. Sucks you all aren’t happy but at least your aren’t in a shallow hole with it and have outs.

[fredo]

Bummer. GL on your decision. E90 M3 sounds good. That one is on my bucket list.

[Newjack]

I hate to say it but I think we are at a crossroad with this car. Neither of us are really feeling the love... Can't quite put my finger on it but I think it's because this car has no soul. It's what I would expect from say, a performance Lexus or something. The car is way too computer controlled for a manual transmission. Sure, you can turn DSC completely off to get some control back but then you loose all the feature we like too. The clutch is mush. No feel or feedback at all. The shifting is terrible. Even with the UUC short shifter, we still have trouble finding the gates. Now we know why everyone is buying the DCT... a computer assisted manual isn't fun.

I'm not sure what direction we will go... maybe another X5 and get her out of performance. Or maybe an older touring we can mod. We've talked about a e90 M3...We're even thinking of a diesel. The other thing we could do is fully mod out the M2 and see what its like but IDK if we want to invest the money. Right now, the car holds its maximum value with only 5k on the clock. She got a huge discount on the car so we could still break even...

I know it sounds crazy, we thought we just being too picky but one of her customers has the identical car in white and he complained about the same things and will probably sell his and get a DCT. He only has around 5k on his too...

Thoughts?

I feel bad you guys don't enjoy the M2 as much as you wanted. I don't think modding the M2 any more would be the smartest choice. Kinda like having kids to "save" the marriage. Spending a lot of money on something is stressful (at least to me) especially if you don't know if it will make you any happier.

E90 M3 would be a really cool ride. Got a couple guys here that have gone that route so I'm sure you would be in good company. Not to mention going back a generation of car would be less computer assisted and the M3 is straight motor with no turbo lag. Supercharger kits for this car are also really nice.

N54's are holding their value and you already know how insanely fun they can be when done right. Even the N55 guys are making big power with a few simple mods.

The only thing that comes to mind when I think RWD, big power and loud is a mustang. Just spit balling here.

[704sw]

The only thing that comes to mind when I think RWD, big power and loud is a mustang. Just spit balling here.

Or Camaro. Hell you could get a 1-2 year old C7 Stingray for M2 money.

[Newjack]

Or Camaro. Hell you could get a 1-2 year old C7 Stingray for M2 money.If you go Camaro you have to go all out. I had a Camaro RS try to pull on me (in Mexico) at 45mph. I gapped him in 5th gear so badly I saw him pull off into the dealer and watched him sell his shit right there lmaooooo

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[az3579]

Sure, you can turn DSC completely off to get some control back but then you loose all the feature we like too.

Hmm - I thought some of that could be controlled through coding.

[Sockethead]

I know it's sounds weird and believe me, it was really hard to come to this conclusion. It doesn't help that the 135 has about 100 more HP at the rear wheels, which we know could be easily fixed for about $5K and not void the warranty... but more HP won't take care of the computer control issue... I probably should do some more research on coding... I wish I had the time. I can't even get my own car done.

I was a Ford guy before I got into Bimmers so a Chevy isn't in the cards and Kristen had a few bad experiences with Mustangs so we're going to stick with BMW.. especially since she works at the dealership where labor is $30 per hr .

I'm leaning towards an e90 M3... the V8 in the e53 was amazing and I've been lusting for a V8 forever :)

[Johnmadd]

I.....

....

[Newjack]

I know it's sounds weird and believe me, it was really hard to come to this conclusion. It doesn't help that the 135 has about 100 more HP at the rear wheels, which we know could be easily fixed for about $5K and not void the warranty... but more HP won't take care of the computer control issue... I probably should do some more research on coding... I wish I had the time. I can't even get my own car done.

I was a Ford guy before I got into Bimmers so a Chevy isn't in the cards and Kristen had a few bad experiences with Mustangs so we're going to stick with BMW.. especially since she works at the dealership where labor is $30 per hr .

I'm leaning towards an e90 M3... the V8 in the e53 was amazing and I've been lusting for a V8 forever :)E39 M5 would be such a hot upgrade.

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[johnrando]

Bummer. Not sure what to get, but few things beat the sound of a good V8.

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[cornercarver]

The E90 is one of the best-sounding V8’s ever. Good luck with your search!

[704sw]

The E90 is one of the best-sounding V8’s ever. Good luck with your search!

Really? All the ones I’ve heard at the track are really quiet, even the ones that come in on trailers, but I haven’t stood next to an S65 while it revved.

[Sockethead]

The one in our 4.8is sounded amazing

[derbo]

Really? All the ones I’ve heard at the track are really quiet, even the ones that come in on trailers, but I haven’t stood next to an S65 while it revved.

I like mine. [emoji8]


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[ELCID86]

Sorry it doesn’t live up to y’all’s expectations. Now is probably the right time to sell it though. I’m not sure I have any recommendations on a new ride.

[Sreten]

My vote also goes to E90 M3 or E39 M5. If you haven't, just go and drive one and I think you guys will find what you are looking for.

[Sockethead]

My vote also goes to E90 M3 or E39 M5. If you haven't, just go and drive one and I think you guys will find what you are looking for.

I know I would but it's her car :)

[cornercarver]

Really? All the ones I’ve heard at the track are really quiet, even the ones that come in on trailers, but I haven’t stood next to an S65 while it revved.
It has to have a pretty loud exhaust to really hear how good it is. Skip to 3:30 and 4:10 in this video for a couple of good examples. The car sounds absolutely insane with the right exhaust (or lack thereof.) https://youtu.be/zIYup0anpbc

[DeathTrap]

Diesel, hybrid turbos, stage 4 tune...not that I'm considering that or anything.

I thought the new M2 was THE modern BMW to have. I guess sometimes the glove doesn't fit.

[NoVAphotog]

I like mine. [emoji8]


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+1

I don't know whose car is in the foreground of this pic...but it's cool too! ;) VERY cool.

34288

I drove another friend's 1M today as well...the 135 blew it away. You'd have to a good bit of the same mods to make that thing fun and then it ruins the parts bin "artificial classic" factor. It looks awesome though. Big fat ass.

34289

FINALLY got to drive the same friend's E36 M3 as well. Very fun. The common statement that it's a "more raw" ZHP I fully agree with. A little lighter on it's feet.

I'm still really happy with the E92 M3 so far. Drove them all pretty much back to back today and it's really refined compared to the 135 and 1M, but yet still moves. And of course, has the modern fit/finish compared to the E36. But really...my happiness boils down to one thing...a V8 is a V8.

[Hornung418]

+1

I don't know whose car is in the foreground of this pic...but it's cool too! ;) VERY cool.

34288

I drove another friend's 1M today as well...the 135 blew it away. You'd have to a good bit of the same mods to make that thing fun and then it ruins the parts bin "artificial classic" factor. It looks awesome though. Big fat ass.

34289

FINALLY got to drive the same friend's E36 M3 as well. Very fun. The common statement that it's a "more raw" ZHP I fully agree with. A little lighter on it's feet.

I'm still really happy with the E92 M3 so far. Drove them all pretty much back to back today and it's really refined compared to the 135 and 1M, but yet still moves. And of course, has the modern fit/finish compared to the E36. But really...my happiness boils down to one thing...a V8 is a V8.How is Austin's 1M? I still can't believe he bought one. It looks like an insanely appreciable asset.

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[NoVAphotog]

How is Austin's 1M? I still can't believe he bought one. It looks like an insanely appreciable asset.

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For sure. I don't think he went wrong in getting it. It's missing a few creature comfort options, but overall it's a clean example.

[Sockethead]

We're still trying to figure out what direction to go in... Now were talking about keeping it as a garage queen and getting a "beater" for the daily commute.
One thing that is frustrating living here in Charleston and driving performance cars is the congestion is so bad and the drivers are so unpredictable that is just isn't fun driving this kind of car. Kristen works 8 miles from home and it takes her a good 1/2 hr to get to work.
I would love to get rid of the car payment even though it's not that much but I want her to be happy, we'll figure it out eventually...

[san]

Yup, driving a car occasionally as opposed to everyday will definitely make it more special. But whether it’s special enough is another question!


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[Sockethead]

Yup, driving a car occasionally as opposed to everyday will definitely make it more special. But whether it’s special enough is another question!


Speaking of special... we're looking at ZHP beaters too LOL... We already have a shitload of spare parts :)

[Newjack]

We're still trying to figure out what direction to go in... Now were talking about keeping it as a garage queen and getting a "beater" for the daily commute.
One thing that is frustrating living here in Charleston and driving performance cars is the congestion is so bad and the drivers are so unpredictable that is just isn't fun driving this kind of car. Kristen works 8 miles from home and it takes her a good 1/2 hr to get to work.
I would love to get rid of the car payment even though it's not that much but I want her to be happy, we'll figure it out eventually...

Rob I completely understand the traffic issues. DC isn't much better and the drivers are probably just as bad. I'm planning on getting a beater to drive around to and from work and especially during the winter. Changing jobs soon and the new one requires more traveling. My commute right now is 10 miles each way to work which I'm fine with, but the new job will be a lot more. Really don't want to rack up miles on the 135. I will never get tired of gapping the shit out of other people in traffic when I can though lmaoo

[DeathTrap]

Atlanta traffic probably has both of you guys beat. Which makes having a performance car even more necessary to weave in-n-out of people that are just in the way.

The ZHP is my "beater." Too many miles and too much owner history to be valuable. So I just drive it without too much worry. It's a great feeling.

[ELCID86]

Speaking of special... we're looking at ZHP beaters too LOL... We already have a shitload of spare parts :)

Hmm. Maybe we should talk.

[slater]

I hate to say it but I think we are at a crossroad with this car. Neither of us are really feeling the love... Can't quite put my finger on it but I think it's because this car has no soul.

dang. totally didn't see this. sorry, rob! this sucks.

i have to say, i was concerned about this when i test drove E90 335's... and while i felt the xDrive cars were a little 'meh' feeling, the RWD 6MT 335i is about as close to 'modern' as i would want, while still having some character. it definitely doesn't have 'soul' like the E46.... especially my Touring. that thing is just pure raw goodness (and i'm going to miss the crap out of it........). but it has fantastic steering, good handling, great brakes, and it does goad you into driving a bit..... umm.... irresponsibly. ;)

E90 M3 would be my choice for you. :) (heck, i want one too!)

[Sockethead]

Yea that's the way we felt about the 135... seemed like the last car that wasn't totally computer controlled and there was a lot you could manipulate on it. It was a 2008. It had iDrive but it wasn't that bad. I hated the iDrive in the F30 we had.

[az3579]

I think you should give coding a try. I found something that would disable the rev matching feature, which I think is your main gripe at this point, correct?
Disabling the rev matching also disables the "give gas on first gear" feature as well.


Just let me know if you want me to drive down there... :p

[Sockethead]

Yes! Link?

[az3579]

Yes! Link?

I had edited my post right as you posted yours. Just wanted to make sure you saw the addition. Disabling rev matching also disables the feature where it gives gas as you're starting off in first. I know you hated that as well.

This all requires E-Sys. You'll need an E-NET cable and E-Sys to do the coding. I would love to test it for you as I have the software but I don't have a newer car to do it on. :(

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1418405

[Sockethead]

Lol We'd really like for you to drive down here my friend but we should make that in spring at least :)

Going to read through that post and show it to Kpro as soon as I get a chance...

[Sockethead]

Ok, I just read through the whole thing... Thanks SO much for finding this BP!!!! We're definitely going to give this a try!

This post from GT6 Racer in that thread pretty much sums up how we feel now and hopefully, we'll like the results as much as he does. We really don't want to sell the car.










Thanks for the post guys. I got my 2018 car back in March, and have been giving the revmatch a shot to see if it gets better with time. It doesn’t. I know some like it, but I hate it - to the point I was considering selling the car. The technology isn’t a bad idea, but the execution is not there. It’s not smart enough to understand how fast I am going to change gears, and release the clutch. It’s too aggressive for around town and too slow for really spirited use. I find myself having to time my actions to match what the car expects - as someone on another forum accurately described I feel like “ a monkey pulling levers”.
I have tried driving all the time with traction full off, but I like some nannies for everyday driving, and also that mode loses the sport plus throttle that I like.

I turned off the rev match today by coding and the car is hugely improved. Now I can actually drive the car. Confidence to come into a turn on a downshift is back, and the car is now fun to drive. I know what it is going to do. ( am I the only one who has come in hot, banged it down a gear only to have the engine still be revving up as the clutch goes out - it’s scary. )

I like the sport plus throttle ( I know some find it too aggressive ), and now I can drive through town without the embarrassingly huge blip when I go down to second. To me it also feels like the car has stopped playing with the throttle on upshifts too - I find it much easier to drive with smooth changes that I control. Taking off is no issue.

Maybe it’s just me. I’m used to racing vintage where I have to be fast/smooth with the controls to avoid blowing the old gearboxes, so I toe/heel without even thinking. However, for me, This car is much, much better under “manual” throttle control.

Thanks again.

( BTW everything went as expected with the coding. I do now have to hit the start twice, but otherwise no negative impact. I have noticed the clutch needs to held down for a second or two on start, otherwise it will cut out - I assume that’s because it cannot “see” the second clutch switch any more)

[az3579]

Yeah man - I'd love to come down and code it for you. Just let me know when! Would love to check out the new house as well!

[slater]

Teamwork! Love it. Good work guys... I hope this coding is the ticket!


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[Sockethead]

I think Kristen is going to see if one of the techs is brave enough to try it tomorrow... hopefully, dealership software will be able to do it.
We 'd love to have you down here too but while it's still a lot warmer down here than up there, it's still winter time. It's a lot more fun when it's warmer

[Sockethead]

Teamwork! Love it. Good work guys... I hope this coding is the ticket!


That's why I love this place! :)

[az3579]

I think Kristen is going to see if one of the techs is brave enough to try it tomorrow... hopefully, dealership software will be able to do it.
We 'd love to have you down here too but while it's still a lot warmer down here than up there, it's still winter time. It's a lot more fun when it's warmer

Seriously doubt the dealer will do anything for you. I think this is outside the scope of their capabilities.

[Sockethead]

Several techs have some pretty heavily modified cars. I think there may be 1 or 2 that know how to code but we’ll see

[danewilson77]

Several techs have some pretty heavily modified cars. I think there may be 1 or 2 that know how to code but we’ll seePfffft. Not like BP. He's the coding sorcerer.

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[Sockethead]

True Dane... I’d rather have BP code my car than any BMW tech :)

[az3579]

Pfffft. Not like BP. He's the coding sorcerer.


Might be a little bit of an oversell... ;)


True Dane... I’d rather have BP code my car than any BMW tech :)

So when we doing this???

[Sockethead]

That's a long drive for a few minutes of coding...

[704sw]

That's a long drive for a few minutes of coding...

Well, you can add in a couple hours for when you go to Toast for breakfast the next morning.

#AmazingFrenchToast
#BottomlessMimosas
#ParkingOnMeetingStreetSucks

[Vas]

Well, you can add in a couple hours for when you go to Toast for breakfast the next morning.

#AmazingFrenchToast
#BottomlessMimosas
#ParkingOnMeetingStreetSucks

I was in downtown Charleston for a day over the Thanksgiving Holiday and had food at Toast.

Ended up parking at a parking deck but the food was worth the hassle.

[san]

Should try this Toast you guys are talking about next time I’m in Charleston. It has been a while and driving from MI to SC will be quite a hike. Coast to coast ish...


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[704sw]

Should try this Toast you guys are talking about next time I’m in Charleston. It has been a while and driving from MI to SC will be quite a hike. Coast to coast ish...


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You should. Coincidentally I think there’s also a restaurant in Charleston called Coast.

[Vas]

You should. Coincidentally I think there’s also a restaurant in Charleston called Coast.

That would be Coast Bar and Grill. Also a good place.

Or the restaurant called Husk where Parts Unknown was filmed with anthony bourdain

[ZHPizza]

Fleet Landing brunch ftw

[az3579]

That's a long drive for a few minutes of coding...

You apparently don't know me well enough!

I drove up to Peter earlier this year just to drive his car for a few minutes and try out the flywheel before I purchased one. The folks at the Canadian border just didn't believe me when I told them that was the only reason for my trip; they pulled me over to search my car. LOL

We ended up hanging out for the evening and I went home the next morning after breakfast.

So... let's make the trip into something more - Who else is down for a meetup?

[Sockethead]

Lol... no kids, no wife, no animals..

My MIL is rolling into town soon and staying until after the holidays...not that's bad thing... she's pretty funny but she'll be in the guest room. If you don't mind an air matress in the office, we can work something out...

[ZHPizza]

Lol... no kids, no wife, no animals..

God I miss those days. Just kept some clothes and a toothbrush in the back of the car and would leave work and head...wherever

[Sockethead]

God I miss those days. Just kept some clothes and a toothbrush in the back of the car and would leave work and head...wherever

Yea Kristen had a hard time giving up her freedom when the kids were born

[Sockethead]

Just bought a bypass harness to bypass ASD (Active Sound Design) It's the sound they add to the speaker system to "enhance the driver experience"

https://technicpnp.com/product/asd-bypass-harness/

[DeathTrap]

Just bought a bypass harness to bypass ASD (Active Sound Design) It's the sound they add to the speaker system to "enhance the driver experience"

https://technicpnp.com/product/asd-bypass-harness/

This is dumb...shouldn't even be necessary.

It reminds me of an autonomous BMW concept car that I saw on the Gram. BMW's response to one of the comments was something along the lines of "We always put the driver first." How BMW? How are you going to do that with an autonomous car?

[az3579]

Just bought a bypass harness to bypass ASD (Active Sound Design) It's the sound they add to the speaker system to "enhance the driver experience"

https://technicpnp.com/product/asd-bypass-harness/


lol
I think this can also be bypassed with coding... I remember doing it with the F30 loaner I had.

[NoVAphotog]

I loved the auto rev match feature. I wish my E92 did it like it does with the DCT models.

All the fun of shifting your own gears with none of the years of practice to get heel toe to barely work for you. Loved it. Felt like I was Senna on the test drive.

[joeybananaz18]

lol
I think this can also be bypassed with coding... I remember doing it with the F30 loaner I had.

wait lmao you coded a loaner?

[Sockethead]

lol
I think this can also be bypassed with coding... I remember doing it with the F30 loaner I had.

Yes it can be done with coding but some have had problems after coding. Plus if the dealer had to do something or upgrade the software it will be less hassle

[Sockethead]

I loved the auto rev match feature. I wish my E92 did it like it does with the DCT models.

All the fun of shifting your own gears with none of the years of practice to get heel toe to barely work for you. Loved it. Felt like I was Senna on the test drive.

Yea it was fun at first. Especially if your driving line a race car but as dd, it gets old real quick.

[threepc19]

I’m coming around to NoVAphotog’s opinion in my 2018 ZHP. Beginning to grow on me. Also reasonable for my son (18) to drive with less MT experience.


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[az3579]

wait lmao you coded a loaner?Why would I pass up an opportunity to play with an F-series car for the short time I had one? Had to test my ENET cable somehow! [emoji6]


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[ELCID86]

I say buy BP a ticket on JetBlue and let him do it!

Shrimp and Grits at Hominy Grille FTW.

[704sw]

I say buy BP a ticket on JetBlue and let him do it!

Shrimp and Grits at Hominy Grille FTW.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8til6OuTC1qzqdem.gif

[az3579]

I say buy BP a ticket on JetBlue and let him do it!

Shrimp and Grits at Hominy Grille FTW.

Nah bruh... if it's within a day's drive, I won't fly if I can help it. :)

[ELCID86]

Nah bruh... if it's within a day's drive, I won't fly if I can help it. :)

That’s a long day! I’m sure Rob would like to see the vault too!

[Sockethead]

Yep! Come on down!

[Sockethead]

I coded out the rev matching today using a Veepeak OBDII BT interface and Bimmercode for iPhone. Pretty cool app that can code most modules in the car. It can code most F & G series, i3, i8 and some Minis
The Veepeak is on Amazon and here's the link to Bimmercode: http://bimmercodeapp.com/

I didn't get a chance to take it on more than a couple mile test drive but it feels like a normal car now. You have to drive it... if that makes sense. It also seems like the revs don't drop as fast but it still chops the throttle in sport+ mode. I need to spend more time in the driver seat. to really figure it out.
I can't wait to hear what Kristen thinks of it when she drives it to work tomorrow...

[Vas]

Nice.

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[NoVAphotog]

I coded out the rev matching today using a Veepeak OBDII BT interface and Bimmercode for iPhone. Pretty cool app that can code most modules in the car. It can code most F & G series, i3, i8 and some Minis
The Veepeak is on Amazon and here's the link to Bimmercode: http://bimmercodeapp.com/

I didn't get a chance to take it on more than a couple mile test drive but it feels like a normal car now. You have to drive it... if that makes sense. It also seems like the revs don't drop as fast but it still chops the throttle in sport+ mode. I need to spend more time in the driver seat. to really figure it out.
I can't wait to hear what Kristen thinks of it when she drives it to work tomorrow...

That's awesome. Nice work, Rob!

So the issue was wanting to drive the car in Sport/Sport+ where it turned on the rev-match feature automatically, but disable it like you did? IIRC it is disabled in Normal mode, correct?

[Sockethead]

Thanks and a big thanks to BP for posting that link!

Rev match is on every mode unless you turn off DSC completely.

[az3579]

Rev match is on every mode unless you turn off DSC completely.


Not on Sport+ though; I think that's the only mode where it's turned off by default. I also believe Sport+ turns off DSC on its own. It really doesn't make any sense; I'd imagine if you're on a track, that's where you'd want the rev match feature.

[Newjack]

Thanks and a big thanks to BP for posting that link!

Rev match is on every mode unless you turn off DSC completely.

I'm happy for you guys. Hopefully this makes the car that much more enjoyable!

[NoVAphotog]

Thanks and a big thanks to BP for posting that link!

Rev match is on every mode unless you turn off DSC completely.

Hmm...weird. I remember when I test drove the 2016 model it drove normally on Normal mode and I put it into Sport+ and experienced the rev match feature. Simply turned it off by going back to Normal. They must have changed it.

[Sockethead]

Thanks Rob! If the wife is happy, I'm happy too... happy wife = happy life :)

Rev match is on in Sport+. Sport+ only turns off some features of DSC, etc. You have to use the DSC button to turn off everything. To be honest, we never drive the car in normal mode so I'm not sure what's on or off in that mode... I'm going to have to see if I can code it to default in sport+

When driving like a race car, rev matching is great but how many times are we going to do that in every day driving? If we take the car to a track, I'd probably code it back on... at least when I drive it :) I have good heal & toe skills... all the way back to my trucking days at 18 yrs old but on the track, if you can eliminate that, you can concentrate more on your braking & lines... I have heard someone complain that on the track, the rev matching is too slow but I'd love the opportunity to find out...

Funny that to turn off the rev match you are disabling one of the clutch pedal switches. This changes the behavior of the car starting. It now takes two presses of the start button to start the car and you still have to hold the clutch in. Plus on your second push of the start button, you have to hold it down a little longer. Not a big deal but I still wish there was a button or a setting in iDrive to easily disable it. It takes about 10 minutes to change it through coding because you have to wait for the software to read all the modules, do a backup, then make your changes and write back to the module

[az3579]

Rev match is on in Sport+. Sport+ only turns off some features of DSC, etc. You have to use the DSC button to turn off everything. To be honest, we never drive the car in normal mode so I'm not sure what's on or off in that mode... I'm going to have to see if I can code it to default in sport+

That is strange. The F80 M3 is coded to have it enabled in Normal and Sport, but Sport+ disables the rev-matching feature. I wonder why they did it differently for the F87.



When driving like a race car, rev matching is great but how many times are we going to do that in every day driving?

Should be rev matching every single shift!
I've been doing this for at least 10 years. I attribute this to being a major reason for why my original clutch still had life on it after getting replaced at 298k miles. :)

[Sockethead]

That is strange. The F80 M3 is coded to have it enabled in Normal and Sport, but Sport+ disables the rev-matching feature. I wonder why they did it differently for the F87.
The M3 is definitley coded different. We've had a couple of M3/M4 owners try it and they've verified



Should be rev matching every single shift!
I've been doing this for at least 10 years. I attribute this to being a major reason for why my original clutch still had life on it after getting replaced at 298k miles. :)
I meant who drives like a race car every day... I rev match every shift too... been doing it so long, it's hard not to do it...

[az3579]

I meant who drives like a race car every day...

I know a couple of people who do. LOL
They scare the bejeezus out of me... and refuse to ride with them.