Your favorite DD tires

[az3579]

i ran my last set on my A4 for roughly 16K miles and they were still at 7/32"... (10/32" is what they are new).

lots of folks complain about tire wear, but also have no idea about the state of their alignment, bushings, tire pressure, etc.

peter

Yeah but that's a different car. I'm specifically referring to the ZHP.

[slater]

Yeah but that's a different car. I'm specifically referring to the ZHP.

it's still a car rolling down the road with the same tires, almost exactly the same weight.

if your ZHP was properly set up, and you had a square setup and rotated tires... why should your results not be similar?

peter

[az3579]

it's still a car rolling down the road with the same tires, almost exactly the same weight.

peter

With probably a lot less negative camber...
This makes a huge difference. If it wasn't for the camber on my car, I'd probably be able to squeeze an extra 10k out of them on top of what I get with them now.

[Vas]

A full set of Conti's ran me $650 mounted and balanced. Tirerack has Pilot sports for $832 and then add on the shipping and mounting. That is a significant price difference.

Pilot Sports with the factory wheel set-up and suspension settings usually last for 15k or maybe a little bit more for a zhp. I would have loved to buy some but my wife would never see the full benefit of them on a car that is a daily driver.

[az3579]

A full set of Conti's ran me $650 mounted and balanced. Tirerack has Pilot sports for $832 and then add on the shipping and mounting. That is a significant price difference.

Pilot Sports with the factory wheel set-up and suspension settings usually last for 15k or maybe a little bit more for a zhp. I would have loved to buy some but my wife would never see the full benefit of them on a car that is a daily driver.

The price was exactly the reason I went with the S-04's over the Pilot Super Sports. The S-04's were very close to the PSS' in pretty much all of Tire Rack's tests, but the price of the PSS was significantly more. They aren't that much better to have to pay at least a couple of hundred more for a set, IMO.

[slater]

With probably a lot less negative camber...
This makes a huge difference. If it wasn't for the camber on my car, I'd probably be able to squeeze an extra 10k out of them on top of what I get with them now.

well, how is your camber set on your car now that it's lowered?

our A4 was lowered a little on ST coilovers, i ran -1.7º of camber up front and -0.8º on the rear. i had very even wear.

A full set of Conti's ran me $650 mounted and balanced. Tirerack has Pilot sports for $832 and then add on the shipping and mounting. That is a significant price difference.

Pilot Sports with the factory wheel set-up and suspension settings usually last for 15k or maybe a little bit more for a zhp. I would have loved to buy some but my wife would never see the full benefit of them on a car that is a daily driver.

agreed on the wife bit. probably a good choice, then!

The price was exactly the reason I went with the S-04's over the Pilot Super Sports. The S-04's were very close to the PSS' in pretty much all of Tire Rack's tests, but the price of the PSS was significantly more. They aren't that much better to have to pay at least a couple of hundred more for a set, IMO.

to me, it's worth a couple hundred for the confidence, because buying tires you've never tried before is almost always a crapshoot... i have wanted to try the S-04's, but they are kinda heavy.

the only other tire i have been interested in trying is the bfgoodrich g-force sport comp-2. they have been getting excellent reviews, especially from the porsche folks, and the price looks great - almost good enough to take the gamble if they aren't awesome, could always resell them.

also, both the that tire and the PSS are made in the US, which helps me when i bring them over the border (no duty to pay! ).

peter

[TheFinanceGuy]

A full set of Conti's ran me $650 mounted and balanced. Tirerack has Pilot sports for $832 and then add on the shipping and mounting. That is a significant price difference.

Pilot Sports with the factory wheel set-up and suspension settings usually last for 15k or maybe a little bit more for a zhp. I would have loved to buy some but my wife would never see the full benefit of them on a car that is a daily driver.

Dang. I paid $900 for the ZHP- mounted and balanced.

[tkundhi]

I'm in the PSS camp. My target is 2 years on set. That is summer (Apr - Oct) plus 12 - 16 track days. The 245 square setup looks like it will easily meet this goal. However one track blistered the outside edge. Problem is the track surface. Not the tire. Happened to many drivers regardless of tire brand. My PSS actually looked much better than others.

Like Peter I will pay a little more for the benefits of the Michelin. Car has bone stock suspension. Only mod is I knocked the crashed pins out of the amber plates for a bit more negative camber.


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[UdubBadger]

Pss is the belle of the ball in the summer tire category for daily use, hands down. Guys autoX these tired extremely well too. If you see a track frequently probably worth going up to next category of extreme summer performance but for most that's overkill.

Nothing wrong with the Conti DW summers either. No they aren't the prom queen but man they are definitely her just slightly less attractive yet much easier to get with best friend. Nothing wrong with that.

[Avetiso]

Pss is the belle of the ball in the summer tire category for daily use, hands down. Guys autoX these tired extremely well too. If you see a track frequently probably worth going up to next category of extreme summer performance but for most that's overkill.

Nothing wrong with the Conti DW summers either. No they aren't the prom queen but man they are definitely her just slightly less attractive yet much easier to get with best friend. Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I'd agree. Most of the people here that argue for or against PSS probably will never use them to their full potential either way. I see no point is spending a few hundred more for performance I'll rarely ever use, even on an M3 vs. my ZHP. If you are serious about track, the actual smart move is getting a dedicated set of track wheels.

I loved my S-04. Grip was amazing relative to anything else I've tried, but I have never tried the PSS.

I'll probably get some DWs or S-04 next time around. Not going to splurge on something I don't need.